hi guys
It cant have escaped people that ron dennis desperately wants alonso back for 2015 to spearhead mclarens new era of honda power plants and new red bull signing aero wizard peter prodromou and his newey inspired chassis"s --
having seen how alonso has single handedly carried ferrari for the last 5 seasons in his very average ferrari"s and won every race they have won in that time in machines that had no right to win begs the question what was ron thinking when he terminated the mecurial spaniards contract -
Having seen alonso perform miracles in sub standard ferrari"s for the last 5 seasons leads me to strongly suspect he would have bought mclaren silverware of some sort had he been at mclaren from 2010 onwards in some of there very competitive machinery ,
lets not also forget he is a natural leader from the same mould of other all time greats that has the ability to galvanize and shape a team around him and so inspire others around him to greater efforts -
---------- something in all honesty that mclaren have probably lacked since the freakish senna picked up his kit bag and walked out of rons glee factory after 1993 -
Afraid to say ron is now paying the price of not having the brilliant spaniard as talisman to lead the team in there desperate hour of need and is left in a situation of all the top drivers contracted to other teams and 2015 hopes resting on the inconsistent button and a rookie -
to be honest i have always thought rons biggest strength was having the best people in the right area"s to perform to there maximum ability and feel he lacked the right man management skills and the foresight to keep alonso at mclaren and is now paying the price for a massive lapse of foresight and judgement ---
----------- i await your deliberations on my latest little masterpiece --
ron dennis"s biggest mistake ever ?
posted on 1/9/14
Its pretty hard to feel sorry for Alonso, he brought it all on himself by becoming riled at a rookie matching his tallents. But this is not really relevant these days, Alonso is far less of (a almost childish) hothead these days.
The problem for McLaren is that Alonso is known for having pops at his team and trying to unstable team mates. This is all well and good for his personal gain but for a team like McLaren do they need this, do they need to be stuck in a rut like the Ferrari of present?
Alonso is a fantastic driver but one that seems to carry a lot of baggage, even now after years of experience. He's not the only one on the grid with serious baggage issues but as things stand I just don't feel like Alonso is the man for the job of turning around McLarens fortunes.
I'm not sure if any of you subscribe to F1 racing magazine but there was a interview with Pat Symonds in the latests one. He was full of praise for Alonso as a driver, but less gushing when it came to Alonso as a team man...
posted on 1/9/14
I was going to post that I agreed with Martial Artist's praise of Alonso concerning his ability to out perform the Ferrari but that I felt that Alonso was certainly no team leader or team player.
None of the great drivers score 10 out of 10 in all departments. Not a single one of them.
During 2013 I thought it was touch and go as to whether Ferrari would get rid of Alonso or Alonso would get rid of Ferrari.
The problems with McLaren are it's aero department not it's drivers or power unit.
Honda are not going to turn up in 2015 and enable McLaren to wipe the floor with everyone no matter who drives for them. McLaren seem to be playing mischief makers in the driver market. Why mention Vettel and Alonso? Are they hoping to attract a driver because they are disgruntled? Personally I would be trying to recruit Daniel Ricciardo.
posted on 1/9/14
comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 7 hours, 25 minutes ago
Its pretty hard to feel sorry for Alonso, he brought it all on himself by becoming riled at a rookie matching his tallents. But this is not really relevant these days, Alonso is far less of (a almost childish) hothead these days.
The problem for McLaren is that Alonso is known for having pops at his team and trying to unstable team mates. This is all well and good for his personal gain but for a team like McLaren do they need this, do they need to be stuck in a rut like the Ferrari of present?
Alonso is a fantastic driver but one that seems to carry a lot of baggage, even now after years of experience. He's not the only one on the grid with serious baggage issues but as things stand I just don't feel like Alonso is the man for the job of turning around McLarens fortunes.
I'm not sure if any of you subscribe to F1 racing magazine but there was a interview with Pat Symonds in the latests one. He was full of praise for Alonso as a driver, but less gushing when it came to Alonso as a team man...
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maybe i am missing something nsix but what exactly is this baggage that alonso is now carrying , does 2007 , mclaren cheating, and dennis and alonso falling out really carry any relevance 7 years later --
the mere fact that dennis is chasing alonso would suggest that he is not convinced that either of his drivers have what it takes to take the fight to the other top teams no matter how competitive next years mclaren may be -
------------- realistically what other options or drivers are there for dennis if the 2015 mclaren is not ultra competitive than the mecurial spaniard who is the only driver out there with a long history of high results in cars that were not designed for such glory in the first place --
posted on 2/9/14
Just saying it how I see it Martial
Alonso - fabulous driver, but not a driver to turn around a teams fortunes. All good whilst you're winning but far to quick with the back stabbing when things don't go all his way.
posted on 2/9/14
I think Alonso is a tad overrated tbh
posted on 2/9/14
comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 7 hours, 8 minutes ago
Just saying it how I see it Martial
Alonso - fabulous driver, but not a driver to turn around a teams fortunes. All good whilst you're winning but far to quick with the back stabbing when things don't go all his way.
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yeh -- fair enough nsix -
---- i still struggle to see what he has done to the detriment of renault and ferrari after he left mclaren after 07 --
posted on 2/9/14
comment by Welshy (U1348)
posted 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
I think Alonso is a tad overrated tbh
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oh--- ok then -- is that it ?
posted on 3/9/14
Yea, I think he's a top driver + some of the Ferrari's he's driven have been capable of winning races, whilst some have been dogs
I think he's extremely consistant
Joint best driver on the grid - possibly, but if not then in the top 2 I just don't think he's the be all and end all
posted on 3/9/14
Well martial, team personal don't seem to do very well around Alonso when you think about it. Renaults shenanigans are well publicised and then Ferrari seem to have gone backwards and binned somewhat innocent personnel since Alonso's arrival.
To go back to when I mentioned the Pat Symmonds article in F1 racing mag, perhaps Alonso should take a leaf out of Shumachers book when times are not well. Its all good and well bullying your way to be number 1 if you're winning, but when you have teams in a mess the softly softly approach to team personal that Schumacher had helps things along.
I will never deny his driving talents, and no one can play mind games like him. But when it comes to team building, he falls short with baggage that'll drive people mental
posted on 3/9/14
comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 6 hours, 33 minutes ago
Well martial, team personal don't seem to do very well around Alonso when you think about it. Renaults shenanigans are well publicised and then Ferrari seem to have gone backwards and binned somewhat innocent personnel since Alonso's arrival.
To go back to when I mentioned the Pat Symmonds article in F1 racing mag, perhaps Alonso should take a leaf out of Shumachers book when times are not well. Its all good and well bullying your way to be number 1 if you're winning, but when you have teams in a mess the softly softly approach to team personal that Schumacher had helps things along.
I will never deny his driving talents, and no one can play mind games like him. But when it comes to team building, he falls short with baggage that'll drive people mental
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here what you are saying nsix , but after 07 i have never really heard a bad word in the media about alonso -
both renault and ferrari have built teams around him and he seems to have that natural leadership that inspires a team to levitate towards him -
------- to be honest nsix i dont honestly know what you mean when you mention bullying -
------ having said that when he has wasted 7 yrs of his very short career at renault and ferrari he is entitled to have the occasional moan in the media or whatever -
in my opinion he is better than schumacher ever was and his talent fully justifies 4, 5 or whatever titles and basically when he has gave so much to the likes of ferrari who can afford the best engineers etc but just seem to be riddled with inadequacy on every level i can understand any frustration he may have that in all honesty i have never seen or heard him show --