After watching Chelsea beat Arsenal again I’d thought to come on here to hear the reactions of the game. As usual the Arsenal fans start throwing the 'we can't compete with oil money' as they do when they lose to us,
even though they have spent just as much as us over the last few seasons.
Now my question to those same gooners is, if you lot can’t compete with 'oil money' as you say u can't, how come Athletico Madrid can win the Spanish league last season when they are competing against the likes of the Real Madrid, and Barcelona, who are arguably the 2 best teams on the planet?
Athletico Madrid also has a smaller budget than Arsenal yet they won the league title against teams who financially dwarf them when it comes to budget and resources. I don’t hear them crying about the galaticos of Real or that Barca having Messi and Neymar is not fair!
Athletico won their league because they had an excellent manager who got the best out of his players, with great tactics and teamwork. If Arsenal did the same and stopped crying about oil money they may actually get somewhere higher than 4th.
Its pathetic when it not only comes from the fans but the manager too. I used to respect arsenal a lot when I was growing up, but now I just pity you. Always got to blame everyone but yourself.
Take a leaf out of Athletico’s book and grow a pair ffs.
Maybe Arsenal fans should think about this before they come out with the same old ‘can’t compete with oil money' rubbish again.
Is it really all about money?
posted on 6/10/14
Not saying we are somehow special or unique but I think we have more chance of doing it than Chelsea, who are used to a very different mentality...
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What happened with Fergie was a freak of nature and won't be repeated.
Utd hired and fired many managers before Fergie and they'll continue to do the same after.
Normal service is resumed.
posted on 6/10/14
Not saying we were going to repeat SAF, just that we have more chance of getting a long term manager in than Chelsea as we seem to believe in that format more than Chelsea do...
That isn't to say LVG, or even the next one or the one after that will. Just that we will probably try for it more than a team like Chelsea will.
posted on 6/10/14
Surely a long term manager who can stay for at least say 6-7 seasons (if not more like 15) should be the goal of every club though?
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Interesting thought but has never and will never be the case. Clubs have always sacked failure and whilst it may be more prevalent today it is nonetheless how it's always been.
posted on 6/10/14
You can't really say it isn't the goal of clubs (well the ones who haven't specifically said it isn't) just something that very few of them have achieved.
Its only really the big clubs it will work for, as if you have a manager in good enough to manage the club for years the chances are a bigger club will want him.
Whereas you may resist Real Madrid and stay at Arsenal you are not going to stay at Shrewsbury when Arsenal come calling for you.
Well 2 of those big clubs managed it for decades, so who is to say that isn't what clubs would like to go for?
It often doesn't work out, hence the firing but once you find a good one you just have to stick with them through the occasional rough patches.
Say Chelsea with Carlo for example.
posted on 6/10/14
Every time we have sacked a manager we have gone on to win a trophy so this stability stuff doesn't wash.
posted on 6/10/14
Yeah you also had hundreds of millions to throw at the problem....
Maybe you could have been a lot more successful for a lot less with a more long term plan in place.
Or maybe you could have won a lot more for the same level of investment with more long term planning....
posted on 6/10/14
Not saying we were going to repeat SAF, just that we have more chance of getting a long term manager in than Chelsea as we seem to believe in that format more than Chelsea do...
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Fergie distorted things hugely at Utd. I don't think it's a case that Utd believe in that format anymore than we do.
As I said normal service is resumed at Utd and we've already seen one manager come and go since Fergie retired.
posted on 6/10/14
I can't see us getting an interim manager in for a year, we gave Moyes a 6 year contract!
It may have been a mistake and the wrong move but it is because it is something United believe in and want to try to achieve.
I don't think Chelsea hate the idea, they just don't seem to like the idea as much as United do.
Not saying we will do something like Fergie again, or maybe we won't even ever have a long term manager again. I am just saying it seems to be something we want even more than Chelsea do. Even if wrongly its something the club likes to think about itself so will try even harder to achieve.
posted on 7/10/14
But do United fans want that because it separates you from other clubs?
As soon as other clubs start winning things you try and look for reasons why your win was better, or why your club is better... something other than just winning... "we won it with players that came through the ranks" or "we want the stability of a long term manager" - it means you can still celebrate who you are and separate out your title wins from other teams.
(i don't mean that as a criticism by the way)
posted on 7/10/14
Not to lord it over clubs, just that I think it would work out better for United, I like long term thinking.....
Tbh I'm not sure the manager sacking thing is something I generally WUM or criticise about, I might say it as reply now and again to someone who is trying to wind me up but it's never something I tend to care about.
I do generally feel sorry for the guy getting sacked though.