Gary Neville

Ha! Depends on the choice of music as well wing...

comment by Scholesy's Right Boot (U7214)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
Gary Neville >>>>>> Jamie Carragher
Similar to how
Man Utd >>>>>> Liverpool

Some things never change.
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"The less things change, the more they stay the same" Spinäl Tap.

Interesting discussion re the commentary vs perception. I don't own a TV, so usually watch a live stream and often with foreign commentary, but thinking back, I can almost sense how the narrative must have shaped my perception of the game in some way different to the reality.

Then again, as no two games are the same, it's hard to make a decent comparison - too many variables.

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I never watch TV.

I refuse to contribute anything towards the BBC via the license fee due to their shameful record on reporting on various issues (Palestine/Israel, war in general and so on - see the various studies and analysis).

And i like remaining completely oblivious to most of 'pop culture'. I've never seen, for example, The Only Way is Essex or other such nonsense and wouldn't know the characters or whatever it is/they are if they were in my front room! I kind of like that. Less background noise.

Technically don't you need a BBC license if you use the internet? It's not just for TV, it's for all of their services.

Having a TV doesn't mean you have to watch crap like The Only Way Is Essex either, I've never watched it and am able to watch whatever I choose. Also having a TV means I can watch things on a large screen and not just on a laptop.

Also, what are these studies and analysis you mentioned that show the BBC's shameful record on reporting wars, I'm just curious? The BBC are supposed to be impartial and on the occasions they aren't are usually stricky monitored independently. What they provide as a service not just in terms of their news is far greater than any other I can think of.

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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 hours, 29 minutes ago
Technically don't you need a BBC license if you use the internet? It's not just for TV, it's for all of their services.

Having a TV doesn't mean you have to watch crap like The Only Way Is Essex either, I've never watched it and am able to watch whatever I choose. Also having a TV means I can watch things on a large screen and not just on a laptop.

Also, what are these studies and analysis you mentioned that show the BBC's shameful record on reporting wars, I'm just curious? The BBC are supposed to be impartial and on the occasions they aren't are usually stricky monitored independently. What they provide as a service not just in terms of their news is far greater than any other I can think of.
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You don't need a license for the internet but you are supposed to have one if you want to watch live stuff being streamed on the site - eg MOTD. You don't need a license to watch MOTD on the iPlayer after it's aired on TV though, if that makes sense.

As for programmes, if there is anything I'd like to watch, there is always iPlayer, YouTube, other sites for films etc... So not really an issue.

And the studies...Too many to list. Try medialens.org (over 10 years worth of tremendous analysis of the British Media), the two studies by Glasgow University Media Group (Bad News from Israel and More Bad News from Israel), the books by the editors of Medialens, The documentary by John Pilger, The War You Don't See, read the analysis of John Hilley, Jonathan Cook, Newsunpsun etc... The independent studies by Media Tenor and The Uni of Wales/Cardiff...

For a broader but completely comprehensive understanding of media output, read the seminal works by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky - Manufacturing Consent (probably one of the most important books in modern history). Read FAIR.org etc... The relate to US media but the same principles apply 100%...

As for BBC impartiality... That's a claim without supporting evidence. The vast evidence (of which I've listed just some) shows consistently that the opposite is true with remarkable consistency over time and from various independent sources. Definitely make your way through the studies and analysis. You'll understand how narratives are set and limits are imposed on what's classified as 'acceptable mainstream discourse'.

Obviously if it's nature documentaries and things, entertainment and so on... The BBC is great there.

Imagine a pundit team of G Nev, Vieira, Roy Keane, and Thierry Henry

I don't know how much influence he has but lets not forget Neville is also part of England's coaching team, the one that has looked pretty useless for a couple years now.
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