Scottish Football

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- Pacifically constant (U6008)
posted 49 minutes ago
Where do you think the EPL would be without sky's tinkering and vast sums of tv money? The fact that the bottom club gets 60m alone suggests that the top clubs have underachieved in Europe considering their income outstrips all except possibly madrid and Barca.

It's ALL about the money.

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Where was English football before sky came in? Winning countless European trophies in the 80's before the ban.
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On more of a Europe wide level playing field. Sky money has effectively created a monatery juggernaught, who for being the richest league underperformance at the top. Broadcasting and certainly skys model has changed the game completely. Money rules. Only the richest leagues have any chance now.

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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- Pacifically constant (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
So, this juggernaut has been in existence since when? And in that time we have had Portuguese champions of Europe, a final they played against a french team. We have had countless "lesser" teams winning in the Europa league. We had Inter Milan, a side that is dwarfed by many teams, we have had Dortmund recently reaching a final. So I'll be keen to understand from when you are suggesting that this money has taken control seeing as many of my examples have come from the last ten years, with sky being involved for 25 odd years.
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Inter is the 2nd most popular club in Italy and has a hugely prestigious history, even if it is in a deep crisis right now with a clueless owner. Just out of curiosity, which British clubs "dwarf" it?

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- Pacifically constant (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
So, this juggernaut has been in existence since when? And in that time we have had Portuguese champions of Europe, a final they played against a french team. We have had countless "lesser" teams winning in the Europa league. We had Inter Milan, a side that is dwarfed by many teams, we have had Dortmund recently reaching a final. So I'll be keen to understand from when you are suggesting that this money has taken control seeing as many of my examples have come from the last ten years, with sky being involved for 25 odd years.
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Porto and Dortmund are special cases, clubs who are ran brilliantly with great managers and the ability to pick up cheapish players and turn them into world class athletes. Besides them it's been the Spanish Giants (also very rich), Germany's finest (rich) and England's elite (very rich). What do they have in common? Cash.

The big spanish 2 have easily outperformed the premier teams over the last 10 years.

It's money, pure and simple. Do you think the Portuguese champions get as much as the bottom club of the prem? Probably not. The likes of celtic get something like 5% of the bottom epl clubs tv money.

So yes, money counts. And consider that in the last 10 years the epl tv money gets ramped up considerably each year.

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- Pacifically constant (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
So, this juggernaut has been in existence since when? And in that time we have had Portuguese champions of Europe, a final they played against a french team. We have had countless "lesser" teams winning in the Europa league. We had Inter Milan, a side that is dwarfed by many teams, we have had Dortmund recently reaching a final. So I'll be keen to understand from when you are suggesting that this money has taken control seeing as many of my examples have come from the last ten years, with sky being involved for 25 odd years.
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Porto and Dortmund are special cases, clubs who are ran brilliantly with great managers and the ability to pick up cheapish players and turn them into world class athletes. Besides them it's been the Spanish Giants (also very rich), Germany's finest (rich) and England's elite (very rich). What do they have in common? Cash.

The big spanish 2 have easily outperformed the premier teams over the last 10 years.

It's money, pure and simple. Do you think the Portuguese champions get as much as the bottom club of the prem? Probably not. The likes of celtic get something like 5% of the bottom epl clubs tv money.

So yes, money counts. And consider that in the last 10 years the epl tv money gets ramped up considerably each year.
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Portuguese clubs get peanuts in terms of TV revenue, the big three earn no more than 15 to 25 M£, crap clubs in Spain such as Getafe get two or three times that because of their location (Madrid Community), sometimes even more than médium-large clubs such as Seville (the Spanish system is particullary strange and unfair).

Unfornately UEFA only enlarges this gap when distributing the Champions League TV rights between countries, when Porto won in 2004 it wasn't the club that earned more. It's a very sad state of affairs because it's one of the few ways to level the playing field a bit.

Definately not a fair playing field at all. The big spanish, English and German clubs have it sown up thanks to tv and sponsorship rights. for the likes of lesser teams like Porto or even former European legends like Ajax to win the CL is almost impossible against these odds.

I'd much rather see it go back to the days where any team had a chance, not just those with huge financial income.

So do I, but we have to face the facts that big money isn't going away, TV and sponsorship deals will continue to grow and tycoons will continue to try and buy clubs. However, there are a couple of things that I think could be done:

- Change the way UEFA calculates its ratings and above all the way the cash pool is distributed;
- The clubs that are fan-owned, such as the Portuguese clubs, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao and Bayern (in a different mould) retain their model.

Another thing I would do, but a completly impossible one due to EU regulations: forbid youth transfers until at least 20/21 years of age. In several countries of the former eastern block a player couldn't go abroad until he would hit 25. This (and a complete centralization of the best players in a few clubs due to politics) allowed for great sides such as Steaua ou Red Star to shine.

That youth policy is a great idea-that would certainly help the more impoverished clubs get a bit better. Although, the giant clubs would simply invest more in school level scouting to snap the best ones up very early on.

Sadly ideas like this will not happen in the corrupt world of fifa. FFP should be scrapped too.

FFP is a weird one. On one hand it has some valid points, on the other its full of loopholes and in essence is a tool to perpetuate the current clique.

Yeah, I would ditch it, and instead try to establish a wage cap of sorts (a ratio wages/revenues for instance). Also the accounting rules for clubs that form a lot of youth players (such as my own, Sporting) are terrible, basically a player is worth nil if its home-grown, only if you sell it goes on your books.

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