It's funny how the penalty incident has completely masked a horror show by Henderson. I lost count of the number of times he put his hand up to apologise to his teamates everytime he misplaced a simple pass. He had a shocking game and like one Liverpool poster said, his Roy of the Rovers style is killing his game big time.
Now before I go into the similarities in the drop of his form to that of Ramsey I also want to point out that Gerrard is being unfairly criticized for giving his honest opinion. He should have kept it in the dressing room like his manager did but at the end of the day he had a choice to make, to stick up for Hendo or Mario, and he chose to back his vice captain.
Too much is being made of something that happens every weekend in most football leagues and I have observed in the past that sometimes this holier than thou attitude were traditional clubs like Liverpool are expected to uphold certain values ends up diss staging those clubs.
Reminds me of everytime England embark on an international tournament were pages are dedicated to discussing the merits of the captain rather than the actual players and their competency as footballers.
Coming to Henderson and Ramsey, both players have adopted this Roy of the Rovers style to their play this season on the account of a good last season in which they were match winners for their respective sides. Dare I say both players are trying to play like Gerrard.
In the history of the premiership 2 central midfielders have stood out for me in the way they knew when to simplify their game and step up. Viera and Keane are the benchmark. Even Gerrard never quite reached that level as a central midfield player.
Now Ramsey and Henderson may not be as gifted as those 2 but they are struggling in balancing their responsibilities in terms of attacking and defending.
I still think both are decent players and in Ramseys case unfairly criticized but the drop in form is similar.
Henderson, Ramsey mark II
posted on 20/2/15
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Roy of the Rovers style, WTF is that?
posted on 20/2/15
Like Billy the fish but more humane I think Vidic.
posted on 20/2/15
A lazy cliche for a player supposedly trying to do everything, Vidicschin.
posted on 20/2/15
Great
Appreciate the explanation though I think it's a little unfair but don't wish to spoil this article by discussing something else. I've been called worse even on that thread. I only presented one theory there all the others were from others some of which I disagreed with. Perhaps you should confirm who said what but fair enough.
posted on 20/2/15
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 32 minutes ago
A lazy cliche for a player supposedly trying to do everything, Vidicschin.
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Thank you.
I had no idea what he was on about.
posted on 20/2/15
This article doesn't make any sense because Henderson has actually been in good form recently whereas Ramsey has been terrible all season.
Don't see any parallels between the two players this season.
posted on 20/2/15
I have long thought that Hendo tries too hard. Last night was poor show from him. I still think he is a fantastic player, totally committed to the cause.
JimmyTheRed
posted on 20/2/15
He doesn't try too hard.
He just lacks composure in his shooting. If he fixes that at some point in his career he will move to another level.
As he is now, he is one of the best all round centre mids in the league, as the stats show with only a handful of players outperforming him in the same position.
posted on 20/2/15
Kuyt was outstanding for us and essential to the tactics Rafa employed, in fact it wouldn't have worked without him. Different players have different attributes and it takes somebody with a very narrow mind not to be able to appreciate players who aren't in the typical attribute category.
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Really?
And how many trophies was Rafa able to win with Kuyt in the side?
So when you say it wouldn't have worked without him - what exactly worked with him ?
You think I'm a crap judge of player because I think Jordan lacks some of the key attributes to be a regular midfielder for Liverpool?
Stats can be used in all sorts of ways.
Get off your high horse
posted on 20/2/15
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 55 minutes ago
Kuyt was outstanding for us and essential to the tactics Rafa employed, in fact it wouldn't have worked without him. Different players have different attributes and it takes somebody with a very narrow mind not to be able to appreciate players who aren't in the typical attribute category.
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Really?
And how many trophies was Rafa able to win with Kuyt in the side?
So when you say it wouldn't have worked without him - what exactly worked with him ?
You think I'm a crap judge of player because I think Jordan lacks some of the key attributes to be a regular midfielder for Liverpool?
Stats can be used in all sorts of ways.
Get off your high horse
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I wasn't at anytime on a high horse.
It's you that's claiming a player wasn't very good simply because he had great attributes in an area you don't appreciate. You then liken Henderson to him simply because they have the same high energy although nowhere near Kuyt's.
I'm agreeing with most Liverpool fans who believe Henderson has developed into a very good player and I think you'll find many rival fans will agree with that as demonstrated on this thread.
At no point did I use stats although they are certainly a good indicator along with your eyes. Which attributes does Henderson lack exactly? I see him as close to an alrounder as you can get without the scoring ability. Some think that will come, I've never agreed with that. It won't in my opinion. However you don't need to be a goalscorer to be a top midfielder and a vital cog in a system because that's what it's all about being a cog in a system. Teams win trophies not players.
Kuyt was vital to our system under Rafa, the amount of times we turned defence into attack because of his unbelievable energy and ability to get us on the front foot was unbelievable and it's hard to imagine a Liverpool fan couldn't spot that.
A great player for us and I have a great amount of respect for what he gave us. He was still a vital part of the Dutch squad in the last World Cup and there's a reason for that, most could spot that.
There's no high horse here, there's you and your family being poor judges of players and potential which is well known on here and there's others who have a better judgement. They are the ones that agree with the top managers who have managed them, even some who have won the elite trophy in European football.
You're entitled to your opinion, I won't take that away from you but as you can see, I couldn't disagree more.