Why we underachieved so much during the 90s

Try reading a book? What a cretinous thing to say.

I know what happened.

Juve weren't banned from Europe, because their fans weren't the ones climbing in to neutral zones of the stadium.

Juve fans weren't convicted of manslaughter either.

Granted, if the stadium was in better nick, its highly unlikely the deaths would have occurred and it is now obvious the game should have been thousands of miles from there.

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Regarding why we were less successful after the 70s and 80s i think we've covered. A big reason we didn't win as much as we should have during the 90s under roy was D James. There's a reason he's nicknamed calamity james and we should have won a lot more than we did. Roy sadly stuck by him for soooo long mistake after mistake. We had Fowler and Mcmanaman at there peak. Redknapp despite his injuries was a goal scoring mid.

Juve weren't banned because their fans weren't the ones climbing in to neutral zones of the stadium.
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Yes, that's true.
Juve fans were the ones already standing in the "neutral" area of the stadium, and LFC complained about that long before the game. What the feck is "neutral" about that?

LFC did not want the game played at that stadium, and did not want that end of the stadium segregated into a so-called "neutral" area (or anything else).

Of course Liverpool fans would have been banned, but the point I think being made was that English fans in general probably wouldn't have been banned if they hadn't been rampaging around for 20 years before that, both with the national team and the club teams.
Thatcher asked for them to be banned.

The victims of Heysel were the 39 and their loved ones, but if this is turning into another "oh, woe is me, my club was the real victim" thread, then excuse me if I don't feel a lot of sympathy for that.

Fair enough if that wasn't your intention, but I've seen so much of that sheite, and the celebration of Heysel as a point-scoring event is not all that edifying, tbh (though I don't think that was necessarily the original intention when the ban was first mentioned in this thread).

Only one reason for our fall from grace. We replaced the players who had achieved so much with players who weren't as good. Simple.

Only one reason for our fall from grace. We replaced the players who had achieved so much with players who weren't as good. Simple
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100% agreed.

comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
posted 14 minutes ago
Juve weren't banned because their fans weren't the ones climbing in to neutral zones of the stadium.
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Yes, that's true.
Juve fans were the ones already standing in the "neutral" area of the stadium, and LFC complained about that long before the game. What the feck is "neutral" about that?

LFC did not want the game played at that stadium, and did not want that end of the stadium segregated into a so-called "neutral" area (or anything else).

Of course Liverpool fans would have been banned, but the point I think being made was that English fans in general probably wouldn't have been banned if they hadn't been rampaging around for 20 years before that, both with the national team and the club teams.
Thatcher asked for them to be banned.

The victims of Heysel were the 39 and their loved ones, but if this is turning into another "oh, woe is me, my club was the real victim" thread, then excuse me if I don't feel a lot of sympathy for that.

Fair enough if that wasn't your intention, but I've seen so much of that sheite, and the celebration of Heysel as a point-scoring event is not all that edifying, tbh (though I don't think that was necessarily the original intention when the ban was first mentioned in this thread).


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Agreed. The points scoring - which I think was the aim of some on here (or one on here to be honest) - is pretty distasteful, and is often accompanied by an entirely inappropriate Hillsborough analogy (as in Hillsborough was not your fault, but Heysel was).

Think we can all do without that.

Guys, I hope you read the article properly like I did.

Honestly I didn't expect Heysel to feature in this thread.

The Spice Boys phenomenon happened 10 years after Heysel. Spice Boys were talented footballers who didn't know how to handle being rich so quickly.

I was shocked to read of their antics.

So what Man U players went to the same nightclubs as the Liverpool players. Fergie kept a lid on his players and their antics.

Britpop and girl and boy bands were all the rage and somehow our players felt the need to part of the scene.

I was surprised to read of Robbie Williams joining the team bus to Aston Villa. I was also surprised to read of the antics of the Liverpool players before the cup final of 96.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 17 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
posted 14 minutes ago
Juve weren't banned because their fans weren't the ones climbing in to neutral zones of the stadium.
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Yes, that's true.
Juve fans were the ones already standing in the "neutral" area of the stadium, and LFC complained about that long before the game. What the feck is "neutral" about that?

LFC did not want the game played at that stadium, and did not want that end of the stadium segregated into a so-called "neutral" area (or anything else).

Of course Liverpool fans would have been banned, but the point I think being made was that English fans in general probably wouldn't have been banned if they hadn't been rampaging around for 20 years before that, both with the national team and the club teams.
Thatcher asked for them to be banned.

The victims of Heysel were the 39 and their loved ones, but if this is turning into another "oh, woe is me, my club was the real victim" thread, then excuse me if I don't feel a lot of sympathy for that.

Fair enough if that wasn't your intention, but I've seen so much of that sheite, and the celebration of Heysel as a point-scoring event is not all that edifying, tbh (though I don't think that was necessarily the original intention when the ban was first mentioned in this thread).


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Agreed. The points scoring - which I think was the aim of some on here (or one on here to be honest) - is pretty distasteful, and is often accompanied by an entirely inappropriate Hillsborough analogy (as in Hillsborough was not your fault, but Heysel was).

Think we can all do without that.
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That was never my intention in a billion years, and I've got absolutely zero reason to point score with fans of Liverpool or any other club!

My point was in regards to the reason English clubs were banned from Europe, many years before the tragic events of Hillsborough!!

Yes there was trouble with English fans/clubs which happened before this equally tragic event in Belgium, but this event is what broke the camels back so to speak.

And it was my opinion earlier in this thread, that regardless of what happened before, this event alone would have gotten Liverpool banned from Europe as UEFA placed the blame on them...not me, UEFA.

This was an opinion that wasn't shared with other posters, which is fine.

But don't for 1 second think I'm being distasteful or that I have some sort of hidden agenda in regards to other events which happened...totally unrelated to this one.

Bad investment. The forward planning was terrible. Sure they lost names due to the ban. But this was Liverpool. They could've got anybody.
Just plain mismanagement.
They still playing catch-up.. Not even I thought they could go 30 years without the winning the title.
Football eh..