Vettel

comment by Robb - The second coming of Fellaini (U20351)
posted 14 hours, 33 minutes ago
Nah, just a weird 'sport' where whoever has the best car wins. Put Hafi in a Mercedes and he'd win this year.
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Actually that is not true. Lots of drivers have won races and titles in cars that are not the best on the grid.

It is also not just the car as you can compare performances when 2 people drive the same car

For example; Senna qualifying over a second faster than his team mate in Monaco, Hamilton beating Rosberg and Ricciardo destroying Vetted.

The drivers have talent

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No doubt the exceptional Raikonnen will completely destroy the truly average Vettel this season.

Raikkonen was exceptional a long time ago. Not anymore.

Ricciardo has already provided us with more than enough evidence

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
Raikkonen was exceptional a long time ago. Not anymore.

Ricciardo has already provided us with more than enough evidence
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Nice

Couple of questions though...

1. Did vettel critics not encourage him only a season or so ago, to pit himself against the likes of raikonnen to test himself ? Is it fair to say that a driver has to do that, and then when he does it at the first opportunity, say its meaningless ?

2. Why is it that raikonnen has gone from exceptional to somewhere below average at the age of 35, when the likes of schumacer, lauda, mansell, prost, hill etc, all won the championship at an older age ? When did this change take place ? And how were you able to tell ?

Out of interest btw, was it widely predicted at the start of this season that raikonen's decline would result in 4 times wdc Vettel beating him this season, in spote of his averageness ?

I cannot speak for all Vetted critics but most of the things I have heard are go and prove yourself in another team without newey's blown diffuser orbits variants. People were of the opinion he stopped Kimi from joining Red Bull as he wanted a subservient team mate.

Kimi was exceptional when he drove for Mclaren. I have not seen the same consistency and hunger since he was a Mclaren driver. Even when he won the title at ferrari it was more Mclaren and Hamilton throwing it away.

Again I cannot speak for many people but people wanted to gauge how he would perform against Kimi.

It is important to note a few things as you were making excuses for Seb against Ricciardo.

First race in Australia Kimi did not finish it and the last race he came back from a puncture to finish in 4th. Let us see how the season pans out. I just hope Ferrari will let them compete against each other. We know how they like to operate.

I would like to know if we have seen a 4 time champion get beaten so comprehensively by a rookie team mate Still in the prime of his career. That is unprecedented and no matter how you want to spin it, it is a damning indictment of Vettel.

For his sake, I hope he repairs

His reputation because there are still question marks about him.

I keep asking Vettel fans to present arguments for why they think he is a great driver besides, oh he won 4 titles.

Maybe you are the one to finally convince me, so pray tell. What makes Vettel great? When his career is done, what will you remember about him?

We all reminisce about the greats like Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Lauda, etc. What will be our memories about Seb?

Curses, poor Verstappen

I think people should pay more attention to his races rather than his Wikipedia page.

I frequently invite his “supporters” to reveal what impresses them about his race driving skills. Not a single Vettel “supporter” has ever taken up my invitation.

Vettel lacks skills in several areas – one of which is his starts. He has always been beaten off the start by the driver behind him. His technique for dealing with that weakness is to try to put the overtaking driver into the wall. Watch his starts and you will see what I mean. Blocking is one thing but barging is another.