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Maglev v stupid HS2

It's going to be a slow day on here today, so let's get some velocity onto the board.

I've got a bee in my bonnet about infrastructure development in the UK in general. This has been brought into sharp focus today in reading about the new record speed set by the Japanese maglev train.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32391020

This is at the cutting edge of technology and will really be a game changer in travel, not just rail travel.

At the same time, we have this government fancying about with billions spent on what will be outdated technology with HS2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16473296

Crazy for the government to plough ahead with this project when there is evidently new technology that will need to be adopted so soon after.
Waste of money.

HS2 will be completed in 2026-32, and cost about £40bn. The Japanese maglev system is costing them about £67bn a lot of it due to new tunnel building costs with the first stretch completed in 2027.

Short sightedness.. Need to scrap the HS2 and adopt the maglev.

posted on 24/4/15

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posted on 24/4/15

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
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comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
we also borrowed money from them to build the new nuclear powerplant in bristol, which will be run by EDF, generating profits for the french government

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No offence to British engineering, but there isn't a British company that is capable of managing a nuclear power plant efficiently with 21st century technology.
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Which is why we shouldnt have another nuclear power plant

Instead that money could have been put towards another hydro dam, invested in a lot of solar/wind energy, safe energy
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What?

Where will we be able to build a hydro dam, where will we flood to provide a head of water high enough. Or will we produce something like dinorwig and store grid excess in a pumped storage pond?

Maybe you should look at swansea bay tidal lagoon and the potential in the tidal ranges here in the UK as a way to reduce the reliance on gas turbines.

Maybe even think about the potential of the proposed Severn tidal barrage.

I know I am working on some tubine stuff for both now

Wind is not vialble, solar is not cheap/efficient to produce at the moment
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Pumped storage

As for the tidal lagoons ive covered that on this article already, impatient about the lead in time for the projects (up to two years!!) wish they could get it going faster

Severn tidal barrage is a no go, however, the tidal ranges at the mouth of the severn are some of the highest around the uk, and could be used to create up to 7 lagoons!

solar power is relatively cheap and is only becoming more so! as well as leaps in efficiency of the panels, as high as 50% in some tests now, not to mention the students at yale university who have created a method to harness heat as well as light which will revoloutionize installations, especially on buildings, where they should be - rather than fields! energy is used for heat as much as electricity, and we need to cut emissions from both, this has the potential to do so, on an enormous scale

wind is overly expensive for what it provides, but is easy to turn off

Nuclear is not the safest form of energy out there, it depends which statistics you look at, 20k yers before the area around chernobyl is habitible, people still dieing from increased radiation, increased number of birth defects etc, Fúkishima, radiation levels in west coast us milk still 500 times higher than before the disaster, 5k years before the pacifics radiation levels are within 5% of pre disaster levels.

the recent leak at a french reactor, the leak at an american reactor brushed under the carpet during the fúkishima issues.

fission is too dangerous, why risk it when there are far safer ways of generating the electricity and in the case of tidal lagoons - cheaper ways

posted on 24/4/15

I didn't see your earlier posts on renewables.

However where to build pumped storage, that and it only stores grid excess

posted on 24/4/15

comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
we also borrowed money from them to build the new nuclear powerplant in bristol, which will be run by EDF, generating profits for the french government

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No offence to British engineering, but there isn't a British company that is capable of managing a nuclear power plant efficiently with 21st century technology.
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Which is why we shouldnt have another nuclear power plant

Instead that money could have been put towards another hydro dam, invested in a lot of solar/wind energy, safe energy

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No. Having the 21st century Nuclear technology plays a vital role in a trade with developing countries such as, china, india and Brazil.

We can trade these technologies for a better economic trade deals with these countries.

posted on 24/4/15

comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
we also borrowed money from them to build the new nuclear powerplant in bristol, which will be run by EDF, generating profits for the french government

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No offence to British engineering, but there isn't a British company that is capable of managing a nuclear power plant efficiently with 21st century technology.
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Which is why we shouldnt have another nuclear power plant

Instead that money could have been put towards another hydro dam, invested in a lot of solar/wind energy, safe energy

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No. Having the 21st century Nuclear technology plays a vital role in a trade with developing countries such as, China, India and Brazil.

We can trade these technologies for a better economic trade deals with these countries.
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this is a short term solution.

the whole idea of the tidal lagoons is that we will be able to export it to the rest of the world, hence why the first one is twice the price of nuclear, and all the rest come in cheaper, we will be the only country in the world exporting this tech,instead of competing with other countries.

the 5 proposed around wales could provide 8% of the power needed in this country, the ones proposed around the severn could provide 1/3rd of the countrys energy needs, solar is rapidly eating in to requirements of other energy forms too

As other countries ramp up their renewables they are taking nuclear OFFLINE, Brazil are building a hydro dam on several branches of the amazon, enough in theory to power the majority of their country, adding in solar! Nuclear technology will become less and less of a currency, japan shut down all its nuclear reactors, germanys are coming offline, france too, America as well

Times are changing we are joining a race that has run, Solar played a massive part in Chinas economic boom, most panels are made there, Germanys economy is based on renewables and they have the strongest economy in Europe, they powered their whole country for an hour just off renewables last year.

and as i said earlier, solar panels are being developed now that absorb the heat as well as the light from the sun, and can get hot enough even to drive a steam turbine using a compressor.

Central heating systems will be able to be retrofitted for daytime solar use, heat storage for night use, the tech is all there and being developed, and they are all the next big trade item, nuclear is done.

http://landartgenerator.org/blagi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/AreaRequired1000.jpg

thats assuming 20% solar efficiency and doesnt include the reductions possible through using the panels for heating too.

panels are being produced now that are 40% efficient, halving the necessary area, why put lives at risk with nuclear when 1/36th (based on modern panels) of the sahara desert could power the entirety of Europe and North Africa

alternatively we could all just have solar panels on our roofs, which would probably be a better use of space.

posted on 24/4/15

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
I didn't see your earlier posts on renewables.

However where to build pumped storage, that and it only stores grid excess
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There are a few proposed sites in scotland, the areas actually needn't be huge, and grid excess already isnt hard to come by, a lot of wind turbines get shut off in the day because its cheaper than shutting down a coal plant, that could all be used for night energy storage

posted on 24/4/15

Germany burn more brown coal than other nations.

The technology for tidal lagoon turbines is just a development of low head river turbines.

If silicon wafers are used for the panels, they consume massive amounts of energy to produce

posted on 24/4/15

the whole idea of the tidal lagoons is that we will be able to export it to the rest of the world, hence why the first one is twice the price of nuclear, and all the rest come in cheaper, we will be the only country in the world exporting this tech,instead of competing with other countries.

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Maybe. But, you can't sell this technology to countries who don't have sea coast.

posted on 24/4/15

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 2 minutes ago.

The technology for tidal lagoon turbines is just a development of low head river turbines.
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theres a lot more to it that that, especially structurally and proving the math on placement and tidal head.

there is also development on what to use the lagoons for otherwise and effective use of the stone structure, proving its provides other eco benefits, such as fish breeding grounds, which has an environmental benefit in itself !

posted on 24/4/15

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 2 minutes ago.

The technology for tidal lagoon turbines is just a development of low head river turbines.
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theres a lot more to it that that, especially structurally and proving the math on placement and tidal head.

there is also development on what to use the lagoons for otherwise and effective use of the stone structure, proving its provides other eco benefits, such as fish breeding grounds, which has an environmental benefit in itself !
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Structural engineering is something all developing nations have. The only benefit of the Swansea bay project is the build of the turbines is done mainly in the UK. But assembled at an Andritz site, possibly Austria or Sweden who have the facility to assemble.

Not that I have been involved. I will say Sweden in Ostersund, I hope so as the skiing is good

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