Hey lads, your favourite Arsenal fan here in peace (do people still say that?)
I've brought over some decent debates to this board over the years and would like to raise some fresh points about the potential appointment of Jose.
From what I see some of your supporters seem split but in my opinion it is absolutely the right decision to make, why? Well alongside Pep they are the 2 best coaches on the planet and it gives you a greater chance than anyone else could of competing with your closest rivals.
He'll certainly not be a long term solution but it's important to stop the bleeding and get back to winning ways, he'll certainly win a trophy or a few and that is important for United.
I see concerns with the football you may play and what not but I honestly have never considered you lot a possession based team like ourselves & City, LVG (although ineffective in his philosophy) was actually opposed to 'the United way'
Jose is closer to Fergie than any elite manager is if anything, from a mental point of view to style of play. Jose has coached some of the finest counter-attacking sides of all time (Madrid 2012) and that was what Fergie was great at. Wing-play an important part of both their games. He can at times be overly defensive but more often than not it does the job.
I think some of his troubles at Chelsea was actually the demand to go out of his comfort zone to play more fluid attacking football, you know where Jose thrives and you really just have to trust him.
One thing that interested me about LVG's latest quotes was his indirect dig at Jose regarding youngsters. That could certainly be a concern as it is traditional for United to bring them through.
For all LVG's faults he has done well in this department - bringing Martial to the club and the emergence of your young LB (can't be asked to check his name) and Lingaard, Smalling (young for a CB) has come a long way too.
Jose complimented Januzaj recently which was interesting but does his bad record with kids worry you at all? He only seems to bring them through if they're special (Varane, Zouma).
He will also spend a fortune but that has been the norm with you guys most especially in recent years so sure you'd be happier for it to be spent more efficiently.
Overall I think it was the correct thing to do and I've always felt United was a dream job for him and from a human perspective I'm quite glad to see a dream finally achieved.
Manchester derby's will be tasty next season but also yourselves and us (Arsenal) could rekindle the flame we once had. Fergie vs Wenger became too respectful in the end (yuk)
Good luck
Jose Mourinho's Potential Impact At United
posted on 12/2/16
comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (U19099)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Would a Arsenal fan take Mourinho if it guaranteed a PL title ?
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Personally no because of his history with Wenger. I have my issues with Arsene but I wouldn't want to see him disrespected in that manner.
Also it'd be a massive task as we don't have many (if any) Jose type players, would take a while for him make things work with us in particular imo
posted on 12/2/16
Very good points and well argued Red Russian.
Jose has not been my first choice, but if he does come, and comes with the attitude you have suggested, he would have my,and I think most of our fans backing.
Like most I want success, plus some good football. I like us to play with wingers (it is our tradition) and Jose has in the past.
I don't care about his grumbling, SAF did enough, but I do care that he treats all the staff well.
I would prefer LvG to succeed, and Blanc after. But would welcome Jose with the provisos you have mentioned.
posted on 12/2/16
He's only early 50's though, how many managers have built 'dynasty's' at that age? Pep hasn't stayed anywhere that long, Ancelotti not too long either. He's still young and I do feel that in his next job he want's to go for the long term approach, just a hunch I have.
posted on 12/2/16
'He leaves clubs in a terrible state' is definitely an exaggeration.
No, it's not.
Yes it is. You should have copied and pasted my whole comment
posted on 12/2/16
jose should have got the utd job straight after fergie left. Only manager that had the balls to follow ferguson. people going on about jose not staying at a club for long.Pep doesnt seem to like to hang around to long eitheir. As for pep been better manager i not sure, look at who he after managing, probably greatest club team to have played and took over european champions. as for jose he more like ferguson than people think. ferguson could have a nasty streak in him to.
posted on 12/2/16
RR, thing with Chelsea is that they were competing with us. The transfer policy has some influence on this but also their management policy. Chelsea's squad was always one of the top two or three in the league.
I don't think the age of the squads Mourinho leaves are that big a problem, it was at Inter but I think that was mainly down to Morratti. His methods just don't appear to be sustainable beyond the third year.
If he becomes manager I don't see him packing the squad full of players that will only last 3 years. We probably do need a couple of players that might offer that in their prime to get us back up the top, though.
posted on 12/2/16
DTKF, that may well be the case. I have my doubts about Jose but I'll give him the benefit of those doubts as I have LVG and even Moyes. The pro- and anti- camps always go over the top in defending their entrenched positions.
posted on 12/2/16
I agree, I share some of your doubts, I don't want him myself. The squad he leaves isn't one ot the reasons for it, though.
I think if you look at the age of our squad it has plenty of players that can still give a few years after the three he'd likely end up managing us for.
I think we are actually lacking players between the ages of 27-30, often an age players are in their prime, which is one of the reasons we are struggling.
Getting in a few players at that age shouldn't be too detrimental to the overall squad as although they will need replacing in a few years (though that's speculative as many players have been in their prime in their early 30's), a new manager will likely be making a few of their own signings anyway.
I guess my main point is, as I've read some of your comments before on the subject, that the squad shouldn't need lots of players replacing in three years time based on age.
If the players aren't good enough or don't fit the style of the next manager then it's a different matter altogether.
posted on 12/2/16
comment by the GINGER PRINCE'S apprentice (U13920)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
op, utd were not reliant on possession to win matches. We just attacked till we eventually overpowered the opponent. We were great on the counter but were not the classical counterattacking team that sits back and absorb pressure.
Saf tried to use this tactic when playing the big boys but oft failing, the tactic only worked against arsenal
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True story.
"And all this talk of jose guaranteeing the title is bs. He will be up against a better manager in pep, with a better squad and support staff, and as much or even more money.
I do not think there is any manager out there that can guarante the epl, but I will like someone who will come in and do the right things in the process."
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And again.
" I wouldn't be surprised to see a different kind of Mourinho in a job he obviously covets and in an environment where the manager has more backing. However, it's reasonable to be uncertain about him from this point of view when there is no track record to prove he can be that kind of manager."
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This is why I am kind of hoping it is true that Jose submitted a document outlining his plans for the club. I do think that Jose has some work to do to convince United that he can be a real United manager. I there have been talks then I think this will have been a central theme in discussions.
LVG and Ed clearly have a plan that involves, or at least includes, young players. You don't spend £55m on two youngsters if your only objective is immediate success. If the club has a vision and a strategy then they are not going to change it for a new manager.
posted on 12/2/16
I don't think he can change. He tried to but reverts to type when the going gets tough. And his biggest test Asia manager so far was this season and he failed. The question really is do these players want him? If there is a split, then he'll lose the dressing room sooner than later.