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A system in which the rich are given huge tax advantages and the poor not only start out with far less but are also the ones charged with paying for all public services as well is what we currently have.

Are you suggesting this is better than redistributing the wealth?

Look I'll spell a couple of things out in regard to small and large business are you can tell me if you think this is a situation that leads anywhere but mass inequality.

Two coffee shops.

A big coffee multinational buys it beans at ridiculously low prices and because fairtrade is irrelevant the bean grower works for next to nothing.
The company holds its tax headquarters in an off shore tax haven. They pay their staff minimum wage and they pay zero tax on their profits.

A small coffee shop opens. It wants to offer something a bit more premium so fair enough it can charge a little more. Firstly the beans, they can't get them at close to the same price because their order is far smaller, at least the bean seller is getting a better wage here.
Secondly they have to pay tax in the country they're operating, therefore they have to charge a lot more just to stay a float.
Eventually they simply can't compete, they go out of business.

What happens next is the big business now has all the power and this is where big multinationals really dig the knife in.

Firstly the bean seller has no alternative but to accept awful pay and slave like working conditions just to win the "prize" of supplying them.

Secondly everyone who used to run or work for a small business now works for the big one. They then reduce working conditions and lower pay because people no longer have an alternative way to earn money.

Third, now no small companies are paying tax as they're out of business. The goverment need to get some tax in to make up for the shortfall - they hike up tax on the only people they can - the ordinary workers.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and to make matters worse, the CEOs of the huge coffee chain now enter government.

This is happening everywhere and it only leads to more and more inequality.

The joys of living in a capitalist society,or is it different in an alternative system.?

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 21 minutes ago
The joys of living in a capitalist society,or is it different in an alternative system.?
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After the 2nd world war policies were made to stop exactly what is happening now. While it wasn't perfect by any means that system is being dismantled and replaced by one that is decided by billionaires to make themselves richer.

I just want good coffee

comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 11 minutes ago
I just want good coffee
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Best go to a smaller coffee shop then

I just want good coffee
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Ever tried making your own.

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I just want good coffee
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Ever tried making your own.
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When I was living in the UK there was an online coffee distributor called Hasbean (i think), you could order great coffee from them.

A paper drip filter gave the best taste i found.

comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 30 minutes ago
I just want good coffee
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Ever tried making your own.
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I had 25 immigrants working 24/7 in a grow shed out back but the beans never matched those from other climates.

In fairness, they were Chilean, maybe I should have used Colombians.

It seems loyalist demands to implement article 16, in response to the EU implementing article 16 have fell on deaf ears.. Maybe their wee petition will change minds 😁