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Well since the leave victory we have had an increase in these events.

So leave victory = more hate crime.

Somebody who voted for leave = someone contributing to leave victory.

Thus, some who voted leave did cause there to be more hate crime.

Also he did clarify.

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I am not saying you are responsible for the idiots nor am I saying all 17 million are. What I am saying is that this has given those people who feel its ok to spread hate crime a platform to carry our these acts. Anyone who voted out must take at least a small part in that.
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He's right as well, if your a leave voter you contributed to their victory. Their victory caused a spike in hate crimes (according to OP haven't checked this myself)

Thus a vote for leave does give you a small supporting role in causing this increase.

You may not like it, you may not think its fair, but if there is a direct link between a leave victory and the increase then leave voters definitely did contribute to it.

Equally all those on the remain side who didn't vote must take their share of responsibility, as well as those who spoiled their ballots. Ultimately, democracy is to blame.

...and don't forget those who voted remain, but weren't convincing enough in their arguments to persuade a majority of the population to vote to remain also.

We should all shoulder an equal portion of blame for this.

That is a bit of a more indirect route, but I can see it.

I'd say a leave voter actually contributed directly to the victory that caused the increase in hate crimes.

Whereas a non voter (or a spoiled ballot voter) indirectly contributed to the leave victory.

Think I'd put more blame on the media than democracy, well the people or the media, maybe both in combination, I suppose the worlds worst media couldn't misdirect an informed intelligent populace, we allow ourselves to be lied to.

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I mentioned on another thread turn out was one of the reasons why we are now in the mess we are now.

Had the younger electorate (who now fervently oppose the result) voted (understand it was around 36% turn out) the result would have been different.

And had the UK government made the public aware of the benefits of the EU, I don’t think there would have been as much unhappiness around the country. Many who voted were (and still are) wholly ignorant towards the EU.

While irrelevant now, I think the voting age should have been at 16 for the referendum as it’s their futures which will be impacted the most.

That did cross my mind.

Although I would say you can blame someone for being misinformed or for voting a certain way.

You can blame someone for not voting altogether or spoiling their ballot.

But can you really blame someone for not being talented enough to change peoples minds?

A remain voter that actually made the effort but isn't articulate or intelligent enough to convince others surely can't really be blamed for that.

Yes way Jose

The difficulty the Remain side had is that a large section of the media have been demonising immigration, (and the EU) for decades. The campaign of xenophobia intensified leading up to the vote.

Extremely challenging therefore for the likes of Cameron (who many – including myself – distrust/loath anyway) to change long held beliefs over the course of a referendum campaign.

It’s clear many people wanted to leave regardless of the financial consequences

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I mentioned on another thread turn out was one of the reasons why we are now in the mess we are now.

Had the younger electorate (who now fervently oppose the result) voted (understand it was around 36% turn out) the result would have been different.

And had the UK government made the public aware of the benefits of the EU, I don’t think there would have been as much unhappiness around the country. Many who voted were (and still are) wholly ignorant towards the EU.

While irrelevant now, I think the voting age should have been at 16 for the referendum as it’s their futures which will be impacted the most.
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I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be letting High School kids vote on such an important issue.

I think, as well, that there's an argument that a lot of the older generation were voting for the future of their kids/grandkids. Personally, I think the older generation are far more likely to vote in an impassioned way than a bunch of Uni kids.

When I was in uni, Marxism didn't seem all bad. It's very easy to look positively on the world, when you've grown up in a middle class bubble, gone off to university - which places you in an even happier, more disconnected bubble - and never actually experienced real life. In uni, everyone has an idealistic view of the world. I don't hold much regard for the votes of these 'new age activists.' Most of them grew up in places like Brighton, and have never seen the negative consequences of the EU on their communities, or had time to reflect on the lies they were sold in the 1970s.

We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the older vote in favour of these sorts of people.

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I thought that myself (kids). But when you consider millions voted believing their vote would change immigration, sovereignty, etc etc (when this was utterly impossible) the it’s clear the understanding has been limited.

What I have also found out is that the leaving process (which was never addressed by the Leave campaign) is going to be painfully slow, (years) costly, and ultimately be to the detriment of the UK.

The Lisbon Treaty statute is designed to favour the EU. The UK have next to no negotiating leverage.

IMO this should have been at the forefront of the Remain campaign.

bet the rothschild family are gutted