Again and again

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 19 minutes ago
So cops should be fearless despite the obvious dangers? They are human beings!!

61 cops were shot dead in 2010 in the US. Cannot find the number of those injured by shooting or shot at but it is logically going to be many more.



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You're neglecting the fact that we're talking about the treatment of black people by police and the ease with which they appear to shoot them instead of trying to de-escalate whatever the situation may be.

And citing the examples given above, where were these "obvious dangers" with Eric Garner selling cigarettes or Walter Scott running AWAY or Sandra Bland giving attitude (which, last I checked, wasn't illegal) or Philando Castile volunteering he had a weapon which he was licenced to carry? Where are these "obvious dangers"? And compare those to this situation where you see a man with, not one but, TWO guns, hand on weapon... does the officer look like he's in fear for his life?! He doesn't even have his hand on his own weapon let alone have it unholstered!

https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/photos/a.801881466517440.1073741829.799539910084929/900819319956987/?type=3&theater

But a black man is more of a threat and so officers should be ready to shoot on sight?!

IF they kill because of their fear, then they are too emotionally weak to be in that job, yes. I'm not saying they shouldn't feel... they are human so will get scared, angry and so on but they CHOSE a job that requires them to remain cool under pressure (see pic above) and above all PROTECT AND SERVE. Not assume "Oh you're black so you must want to shoot me (despite me not seeing a gun or despite me and 5 of my buddies sitting on you) so I'mma be ready to pop one off in yo' ass... oops!". But the truth appears to be that they DON'T kill black people out of fear. It's racism. It's hatred. And it's systemic.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 minutes ago
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680941/PIERS-MORGAN-cops-racist-cops-make-mistakes-people-hate-America-wasn-t-awash-guns-wouldn-t-bloodbath.html
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This article, YOUR example, is littered with suggestions of racial bias and indefensible treatment of black people and yet you want to say "...I don't think the police fear of being shot by a black man are unfounded..."

No sure when I said there was no racism involved?
In fact my very first comment said "The police are as scared as they are racist murderers."

The idea that having a fear of young black armed males is incomprehensible in a country where many areas (poor areas) are heavily populated by gun toting gang members of mainly African/Hispanic heritage. Not sure anyone can deny that.

I have also said from the start that there is a massive question mark over the training and ability of the police forces in many parts of the US.

The whole time you have concentrated just on one side, not sure why? Do you think the police are just racist, cold blooded murderers? You try to de-humanise them so I think this is the case.

In 2012, white males were 38 percent of the population and committed 4,582 murders. That same year, black males were just 6.6 percent of the population but committed a staggering 5,531 murders.

In other words: black people–at just a fifth of the size–committed almost 1,000 more murders than their white counterparts.

The figures above highlight a horrific truth that black racialists and white liberals routinely ignore: Lawbreaking black Americans, young black males particularly, put themselves in close proximity to (mostly white male) police officers at rates sometimes five to 10 times higher than whites. This is a recipe for disaster.

Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years.

DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides.

In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.

There are five times fewer black people than white people in America and, yet, they consistently carry out a larger share of the crimes? Given this rate, it’s no wonder that there aren’t more assistances where cops kill black criminals.

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force," according to MacDonald in a speech at Hillsdale College.

Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 12 percent of the population. But as MacDonald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

"Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald.

MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

"The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."

50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force,

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Total myth that police officers don't kill white people

DJ,

At every turn, you’ve avoided answering what was a simple, if admittedly passionately asked, question and I cannot for the life of me understand why. I concentrated on one part because:
1. I tackle one thing at a time. Saves getting confused about what we’re talking about
2. I didn’t have an issue (or as much of an issue) with anything else you said.
The fact that you have to resort to pointing that out indicates a certain discomfort with the question I DID ask.

Next: you didn’t say there was no racism involved. You didn’t not say it either. Again, too busy questioning my questions to you without actually answering them.

Your argument hinges on the number of murders committed by each group but that isn’t really the question here. Were the police tracking murderers in these cases? Were they responding to calls about murders? From the names I gave above:
Eric Garner - selling cigarettes
Samir Rice - playing alone in a park
Mike Brown - walking home
Sandra Bland - driving; made an illegal lane change
Philando Castile - driving with broken tail light (carrying a gun but licensed to do so)
Alton Sterling - selling CDs (carrying a gun but only visible AFTER he was killed)
Laguna McDonald - armed with a knife but shot in the back 16 times whilst walking away from police
Walter Scott - broken brake light; tazed and shot in the back while running away from police

By bringing up these statistics, what you’re suggesting is that it’s okay for black people to be stopped, incarcerated shot more regularly and with less justification than white people. And I can’t understand that. If more black people are committing crime, arrest them. But for heaven’s sake, don’t kill them unless there is a real and present danger i.e. gun pointed at you (or something similar… I don’t profess to know the specifics of a legal shooting)! And those are the murderers or perpetrators of crime as you mentioned. But what on earth did the above or the others mentioned (and more) do to deserve being killed? Being black and being associated with the people in your statistics? That’s a very, very poor argument you’re making, mate!

Lastly, this isn’t about whether or not these police kill white people. If they did and if they did so in the same way they’ve been killing black people, then they should similarly be called up on it.

In case you’re not getting where I’m coming from and pay close attention to the stats. THOSE are the numbers you want to focus on:
https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/10153752474144205/

Tamir, not Samir
Laquan, not Laguna

oh my, they shot a man who had his hands up, who was laying on the ground, this is amazing!!!! He was with some autistic kid who had a toy truck!!!

http://gawker.com/video-shows-unarmed-black-man-pleading-with-arms-raised-1784004594