Another day another nutter on the Rampage

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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 14 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* -

Thank you for your response. I believe that a Hadith is only considered authentic if it has a strong chain or narrators and that many Hadith's are considered weak or even fabricated. However, it isn’t difficult to find unpleasant material even in some stronger Hadith which many Muslims around the world take very seriously. Much of Sharia I believe comes from the Hadith and it plays an important role in Islamic study. We can't discard them since they are required to understand the life of Muhammad and Islamic history.

I've tended to notice Muslims using Hadith if it were to show Islam in a positive light, but reject authentic Hadith if the text is of a more disturbing nature.
This is where IS and groups of a similar ilk can play around with the text and justify their actions.

I'm aware though that some Muslims are Quranist's but they are in the minority.
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That's ok, I enjoy answering questions.

"I believe that a Hadith is only considered authentic if it has a strong chain of narrators"

That's both true and false because the authenticity varies from scholar to scholar especially Shia and Sunni scholars. You will find that the ones with strong chains but are violent in nature are usually the ones that don't correspond with the Quran which has set out limits. These are the chosen Hadith's that people like Daesh chose to follow. Revelations taken from the Quran put these Hadith's to bed.

If the Hadith's contradict the Quran, then they are automatically void. The people who compiled the Hadith's, although considered noble men, were ONLY men and therefore could make mistakes.

Don't forget that the Hadith's when mentioned as strong or authentic isn't an indication that the Hadith it self is strong but that the chain of narrators were reliable.

Reliability does not equate to infallibility and please consider that the Hadith's were passed on hundreds of years after the Prophets death and so were not safe guarded by a Prophet.

The holy book is regarded as a text without mistakes and over rules the Hadith's as the Quran is regarded to contain the direct words of God which were safe guarded by the Prophet.

The majority of Muslims rely on the Hadith's to practise Islam but Muslims have to do so with sincerity and with consideration of the Quran.

Like I said any Hadith's contradicting the Quran are not authentic, otherwise the Muslim holy book would be useless.

I'm actually quite impressed you know about them to be honest, you are the only person on here that has ever asked me about them and makes a nice change from the usual "they said Allahu Akbar so they must be Muslims" angle.

"I've tended to notice Muslims using Hadith if it were to show Islam in a positive light, but reject authentic Hadith if the text is of a more disturbing nature."

Younger Muslims are becoming more educated and understand the Hadith's better because they study them.
It's not cherry picking but choosing the material which corresponds with the Quran.

In certain parts of the Middle East where education is a luxury people still take the word of so called scholars and Imams without ever researching for themselves.

It's not a coincidence that these Muslims who haven't studied the Quran, Hadith's and listen to others, approach Islamic scriptures with the exact same extremist mentality as non Muslims without knowledge.

They both think Islam condones chaos and violence outside the limits of self defence.

Question now is, will you complain to the admins then accuse others of hitting the complaint button like you did previously.

Or will you accuse the admins of being of foreign descent for deleting your moronic comments?

Rover the hill and far away

I'm happy to respond but I will have to do this once I'm home if that's ok?

I do not hide the fact my wife is of African origin. Many folk on here know this, it does not bestow me super powers. Just a conversation topic.

I do wonder however why you like discussing my wife. Why is that?

Kung fu - fella, it looks like I'm the only one slacking off then

You've put a lot of effort into this thread and others, I am not going to mind you taking some time to reply.

cheers

Got footy at 9 so hopefully I will get back to you around 8:30!

Enjoy - I'm not allowed to play any more after destroying my knee.

Mud

Firstly, I didn't try and tie anyone to these gangs. I asked why the grooming gangs were disproportionately muslims.

Second. I didn't apply different standards to muslim migrants. Kung Fu get saying I was despite my posts to the contrary.

Again,I am in no way racist. I do complain when labeled as such as it offends me. Why would being labelled racist bother me if i was?

Surely Admin would have banned me if i was racist?

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