Lyon reject bid for Lacazzete..

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can only be 'overpriced' if no one meets the asking price. Juve have so how can Higuain be over priced? And in fact Juve don't have the sort of TV money that the English clubs do.
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Yes that is the literal meaning of overpriced I agree but the common opinion of overpriced is something or someone who's price is more than their value
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And what is there value? How would you value a player?
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Well personally speaking I'd look at their age, stats, style of play and possible sell on value.

Higuain fails on 2 of those so in my opinion is not worth £75-80m. Having said that it aint my money so I'd have been over the moon if we'd signed him. that's probably why I aint in charge of the budget at a multi-million pound business

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And what is there value? How would you value a player?
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Well personally speaking I'd look at their age, stats, style of play and possible sell on value.

Higuain fails on 2 of those so in my opinion is not worth £75-80m. Having said that it aint my money so I'd have been over the moon if we'd signed him. that's probably why I aint in charge of the budget at a multi-million pound business
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To be honest as fans our value of Higuain should be how many goals he is going to score. We have been told by Kroenke, and its proven since 2012 that we are no more a selling club. Therefore it should not matter what his resale value is. Any profit would have never been put back in the transfer kitty anyway.

In fact even if we were to play the game of fantasy CEO, Wenger turned down Higuain two years ago when he said £35m was too much for him. What was he 26? And today he is worth £75m that Juve are reportedly paying for him. So we would be flops at valuing players.

I could tell you why most CEOs not named Gazidis also have completely different concept of what the football business is all about. But thats pointless because Gazidis is our CEO and Wenger is our manager.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 52 seconds ago
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And what is there value? How would you value a player?
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Well personally speaking I'd look at their age, stats, style of play and possible sell on value.

Higuain fails on 2 of those so in my opinion is not worth £75-80m. Having said that it aint my money so I'd have been over the moon if we'd signed him. that's probably why I aint in charge of the budget at a multi-million pound business
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To be honest as fans our value of Higuain should be how many goals he is going to score. We have been told by Kroenke, and its proven since 2012 that we are no more a selling club. Therefore it should not matter what his resale value is. Any profit would have never been put back in the transfer kitty anyway.

In fact even if we were to play the game of fantasy CEO, Wenger turned down Higuain two years ago when he said £35m was too much for him. What was he 26? And today he is worth £75m that Juve are reportedly paying for him. So we would be flops at valuing players.

I could tell you why most CEOs not named Gazidis also have completely different concept of what the football business is all about. But thats pointless because Gazidis is our CEO and Wenger is our manager.
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Mate I'm not disagreeing with anything which you are saying - just being realistic. I'd sign Higuain but then I'd also have bid for Pogba and Bonucci (sp). We won't though as that's not what we do. We look at value in everything we do. I'd guess that the Board looked at Higuain and what he could give us and felt that he wasn't £80m better than Giroud.

comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 52 seconds ago
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And what is there value? How would you value a player?
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Well personally speaking I'd look at their age, stats, style of play and possible sell on value.

Higuain fails on 2 of those so in my opinion is not worth £75-80m. Having said that it aint my money so I'd have been over the moon if we'd signed him. that's probably why I aint in charge of the budget at a multi-million pound business
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To be honest as fans our value of Higuain should be how many goals he is going to score. We have been told by Kroenke, and its proven since 2012 that we are no more a selling club. Therefore it should not matter what his resale value is. Any profit would have never been put back in the transfer kitty anyway.

In fact even if we were to play the game of fantasy CEO, Wenger turned down Higuain two years ago when he said £35m was too much for him. What was he 26? And today he is worth £75m that Juve are reportedly paying for him. So we would be flops at valuing players.

I could tell you why most CEOs not named Gazidis also have completely different concept of what the football business is all about. But thats pointless because Gazidis is our CEO and Wenger is our manager.
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Mate I'm not disagreeing with anything which you are saying - just being realistic. I'd sign Higuain but then I'd also have bid for Pogba and Bonucci (sp). We won't though as that's not what we do. We look at value in everything we do. I'd guess that the Board looked at Higuain and what he could give us and felt that he wasn't £80m better than Giroud.
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And thats why I said that other CEOs and managers value success by the number of major trophies they win.

Kroenke recently said that although its important to be prudent in your spending, the point of sport is to win. Although he was talking about his new NFL franchise it was also a rebuke at Wenger. But bet he missed it.

If Higuain could give us the premiership which is more than Giroud has given for the last 4 years isn't it worth £80m? You bet it is. Arsenal's sponsorships would increase double that alone. Wenger is just too scared spending that much and not winning it. He has already lost the reputation of winning trophies without spending. That crown belongs to Renieri. To be honest he is a busted flush at the moment. And Wenger really needs to make a statement that he can attract the best because he has nothing else left going for him.

comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
You sure he didnt try?
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I'm sure he did, but he didn't deliver, which isn't good enough. I don't think it takes THAT much to find a better CF than Giroud.
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Maybe two parties didnt agree a contract?

comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 11 minutes ago
I'd rather spend £5m more to guarantee landing a player than going without completely. I mean if we were rich with options and already had a great forward line then fine, but we're not.

Beggars can't be choosers, if we don't get a top striker at the very least this summer then there is no way we will challenge for the title, something which "real" fans should want at the very least in this coming season.

Also this is a football club not just a business, if it was all about business then teams like Utd wouldn't bother investing heavily in their team each summer. Arsenal are too bloody obsessed with the business side, it's like nothing else matters.
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Yeah agreed that we are a football club first and foremost but the days of romance and it being a local club with lads dreaming of pulling on the shirt are long gone unfortunately.

We have to make a profit or as near as dammit every season. Yes we sometimes need to go into short-term debt in order to have more success long term and I think that when we don't this is where a lot of fans (myself included) get frustrated.

I also agree that we need a new striker otherwise we won't be able to challenge for the title but who's to say that we are not in negotiations at this very moment with several clubs and agents to get this done? Perhaps Lacazette was our 3rd or 4th choice and we are waiting on other deals to fall through before returning with the extra 5-10m? Let's face it we'd have had no idea that we'd even bid for him if the Lyon bigwig hadn't spouted off to the French media.

Bottom line is that we have to wait until either all of our targets fall through or the transfer window closes before we can vent any anger on the club. Yes they've failed to sign a striker in recent years but they have got big deals (Sanchez and Ozil) over the line so are prepared to spend big and buy when the opportunity arises. I'd also suggest that Wenger saw Sanchez as being that No 1 striker before realising that he was better suited as an attacking midfielder.
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I do agree with you, and in fact I probably made very similar posts to yours 2 or 3 seasons ago. But that's exactly the problem. We've been trying to buy a top striker since RVP left and have consistently failed to do so.

It's very true that we shouldn't blow our beans on the first option that becomes available, and if this was the first transfer window where we were in this situation I doubt there would be much moaning at a lowball offer for the likes of Lacazette. However it's got to the point where we've really got to make something happen and throw out this "No value in the market" line.

I still reckon we will.

comment by DiRtY Sanchez (U6360)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Why people make their mind up because of the price tag?

No one has noticed Mahrez....ffs
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Do you think Mahrez will be an Arsenal player this new season GT?
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I don't think so.....

I mentioned on another thread that IMO AFC rely too much on player analytics.

If anyone has seen the Brad Pitt film Moneyball a revolutionary new way of recruiting of new players was devised. Arsenal bought https://www.statdna.com/ in 2012.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2269196-what-buying-statdna-means-for-arsenal-and-their-moneyball-approach-to-football

Unfortunately I think AFC have relied far too much on analytics, rather than take a more organic approach.

I saw this story on the Daily Fail website earlier. Virtually every comment was laughing at how Arsenal have been 'snubbed' by Lyon.

I wouldn't want any of those people to be negotiating anything...

Should have put the extra penny on top of the offer