I am totally disillusioned with our manager and can't wait for him to go. Even if all of a sudden he made some marquee signings before the window closed and on top of that won the league, I still want him out of my club. The point being, I can't trust a manager that needs to be badgered into making the obvious correct decisions. Especially when he gets paid £8m a year (which works out at £23,000 a day) to make the difficult decisions and get them right. Wenger is stubborn to a fault and the adage is true especially with him that says you can't teach an old dog new tricks i.e. he isn't going to change. The transfer fiasco happens every year, especially last year when he didn't bring in one out field player. I am of the firm belief that one of the main reasons why we can't close deals and attract new targets to our club is not only because of the derisory amounts of money offered but the target player does not believe in Wenger.
The Mess That Our Club Is In
posted on 18/8/16
Why sign Xhaka for 35m then if that meant we couldn't afford to strengthen the weaker areas of our team?
posted on 18/8/16
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 1 minute ago
Why sign Xhaka for 35m then if that meant we couldn't afford to strengthen the weaker areas of our team?
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The club can (and hopefully will) afford to strengthen but hardly wants to advertise the fact they're cash rich.
posted on 18/8/16
comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 56 minutes ago
A top quality CB and striker.
Good CBs like Mustafi are rated at £35m, so to get top quality you would have to go higher.
A good striker like Lacazette would cost £45m most likely, Lukaku has been quoted at £60m, so imagine what a top quality striker would cost.
Higuain and Stones, for example, went for a combined £125m - and Stones wouldn't be classed as a top quality CB by many yet.
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Considering Ashley Williams went for £12 million or something like that goes to show that it is still possible to find good value. Yes he is nearly 32 but would have done a good job for us for 3-4 seasons and far better then that overrated Stones who isn't even a half decent defender!
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Ah, but the statement was that we should be embarrassed not to be able to afford top quality CB and striker. This was in reply to someone saying we are trying to save money on a CB so we can spend more on a striker.
We are looking for good value at CB, something the person objected to as we should be able to afford the very best in two positions on top of what we already spent.
posted on 18/8/16
comment by ♤WengersNearlyMen♤ (U5041)
posted 4 hours, 20 minutes ago
OP
you do know don't u than when wenger leaves we'll be worse off?
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i dont agree we will be better off,if we didnt get in the cl we could regroup and sort the side out ,being in the cl is a waste of time we never win anything and we never spend the money we get anyway.We have some decent players we just need to apply some thought and logic to the defence, wenger isnt the man to do it.
posted on 18/8/16
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
No. Thats a misunderstanding of how we used to play under Graham. George used to setup teams not to concede first. That just didn't mean the back 4 were defending. The whole team was in a counter attack formation to defend first. Wenger changed that to a more possession based game where obviously the defence is challenged more because the full backs are expected to be far more involved in the attack to provide width. Compare Dixon, Winterburn to Ashley Cole and Lauren.
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I usually agree with a lot of our points, J99, but you're completely wrong on this one. The stats are the first thing that show you up; Graham's 1991 side scored more and conceded less in the same number of league games as the invincibles. It's also complete folly about Graham's early sides being defensive; in the four seasons from 1988-89 through to 1991-92, Graham's sides were top scorers in the league twice and 2nd top scorers in the league once (the 1991-92 season).
Graham setting his teams up to defend didn't begin until the first premier league season when, after being embarrassed by European opposition in the European cup the year prior, Graham changed the way in which the team were setup and the way in which they approached games because he thought that was a means of being successful in Europe.
This perception that he was always boring, though is as bad as the perception that Arsene's teams are always entertaining.
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that 88/89 side was very usefull,to beat a top quality side like lpool at anfield to win the title takes real bottle,also the 86/87 side was good also scored loads of goals,and won the lc something wenger has never done.
posted on 18/8/16
Agree with Herbie on that one. Balanced sides who could entertain for a good few years under Graham.
It really changed when Wrighty came, tbf (not blaming him, great player).
posted on 18/8/16
comment by arsene wengbottler (U20940)
posted 4 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by ♤WengersNearlyMen♤ (U5041)
posted 4 hours, 20 minutes ago
OP
you do know don't u than when wenger leaves we'll be worse off?
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i dont agree we will be better off,if we didnt get in the cl we could regroup and sort the side out ,being in the cl is a waste of time we never win anything and we never spend the money we get anyway.We have some decent players we just need to apply some thought and logic to the defence, wenger isnt the man to do it.
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The thing is mate the board aint going to appoint a top manager to be better off.
posted on 18/8/16
Wenger is a good manager, just his transfers aren't his strongest point. He puts faith in his players and gets the best out of what he has got. Maybe that's why he's reluctant to sign players?
Look at Coquelin. Through the youth ranks, consistent performer and does his job well. He's a good player. So Wenger puts his faith in him and gets the best out of him. So why would he go spend so much money buying a new DM when he's got one that plays well. I know Arsenal have signed both Elneny and Xhaka, gut Coquelin earned his right to play.
Wenger puts in faith in players and a lot of the time deliver. Ok, this window has been a disaster for Arsenal really, but you can't say your not in capable hands of good results with Wenger, no matter what you think of him, he still delivers with what he has.
posted on 18/8/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Santi Cazorla (U18355)
posted 33 seconds ago
Lol Higuain is the exception, not the rule. Juve were mental enough to pay his buy out clause. Suarez aside, no striker has gone anywhere for close to that sort of money.
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Neymar for £71m
Ibrahimovic for £60m 7 years ago.
Torres £50m , Falcao £51m, Cavani £55m all 3 or 4 years back.
Costs big money to buy top quality strikers.
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All those listed are exceptions to the rule. Cavani, Falcao, Torres were all signed at way over the odds by clubs with bottomless pits of money that nobody else would cough up. Neymar is a ridiculous talent and future Ballon D'Or winner, and not a striker anyway. Ibrahimovic is the only deal that was similar to Higuain's in any way.
Over that period of time, in England alone, the likes of Torres, Aguero, Saurez, RVP, Tevez, Costa, Lukaku have gone for fees in the region of £25M-£30M. And that's in England where clubs are more reckless with their transfer spend than anyone else.
Looking around Europe, the likes of Aubameyang, Griezmann, Benzema, Dybala, Tevez went for £35M or less.
There are top strikers out there who would be available for a similar sum of money, Lacazette being the obvious one for about 3 years now.
posted on 18/8/16
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 minutes ago
Wenger is a good manager, just his transfers aren't his strongest point. He puts faith in his players and gets the best out of what he has got. Maybe that's why he's reluctant to sign players?
Look at Coquelin. Through the youth ranks, consistent performer and does his job well. He's a good player. So Wenger puts his faith in him and gets the best out of him. So why would he go spend so much money buying a new DM when he's got one that plays well. I know Arsenal have signed both Elneny and Xhaka, gut Coquelin earned his right to play.
Wenger puts in faith in players and a lot of the time deliver. Ok, this window has been a disaster for Arsenal really, but you can't say your not in capable hands of good results with Wenger, no matter what you think of him, he still delivers with what he has.
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If he delivered with what he had, then we would have won the league last season and would have won many more trophies over the last 10 years.
I hate this myth that people want Wenger out because of his transfer policy and nothing else. Obviously all the AKBs who said Wenger would dominate when FFP came in and we had money to spend have had to back track into their caves, but his transfer policy is just one of his many flaws, including his tactics, team selections, loyalty to underperformers, bizarre subs and timing of subs, habit of shoehorning players into the team and playing others out of position, and the fact that he will freeze players out of the squad even if they perform well the odd time Wenger plays them out of desperation (Joel the latest example). And that's just his flaws when it comes to matchday, never mind his dictatorship off the pitch.