Labour bottlers

comment by DundeeSpur -Super 88 (U15703)
posted 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 12 minutes ago
If they get rid in 6 months, Labour will be banking on them electing somebody more incompetent in an election campaign if they are to win the next GE.

Better hope it isn't Ruth Davidson after her performance
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Ruth Davidson's only half-finished her job of saving my country.
As soon as she's done with the SNP, I'd be happy to see her set loose on Corbyn and his mates
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Big fish in a small pond, she would get eaten alive if she ever got into Westminster.

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21430)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 38 minutes ago
If they get rid in 6 months, Labour will be banking on them electing somebody more incompetent in an election campaign if they are to win the next GE.

Better hope it isn't Ruth Davidson after her performance
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No chance of that happening - she is a poof and we all know what May's new best mates the DUP think of them...
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Indeed.
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DUP are not homophobic, sexist or any other smear you Corbynista chuck about, after realizing you lost.

Vote corbyn, get DUP😁
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They refuse to vote for same s ex marriage, so they are definitely homophobic. You ain't getting away with that one.

Whilst Labour lost the battle, they certainly ain't lost the war. Watch this space in the next few months. The Tory press are already ganging up on May.

TBH it is not so much their refusal to allow same s ex marriage that I would brandish them homophobic or bad for...

More things like calling homosexuality an abomination, their abortion laws being straight out of the 19th century, the climate change denial and their links to young earth creationism...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/who-are-the-dup_uk_593a79c7e4b0b13f2c697d36

Outside of that they seem like a perfectly sane lot....

That is the price paid for the right for religions to not be held to the same standards as the non religious are.

Without getting in to the whole L/R nonsence again, the uber-socialist Livingstone openly courted al-Qaradawi - a man whose views - if his religion was taken out of the equation - would make the KKK blush.

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HRH whilst I would wonder what openly courted means exactly I would point out Ken Livingstone talking/praising/helping someone isn't quite the same as the Tories having this group run our country with them...

comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
HRH whilst I would wonder what openly courted means exactly I would point out Ken Livingstone talking/praising/helping someone isn't quite the same as the Tories having this group run our country with them...
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Agreed, if their views are similar. This bloke makes the DUP look like Peter Tatchell though (see his criticism of the fella incidentally).

Abhorrent man.

Search for his name and Livingstone.

Yeah bloke seems like a nutter read a few different bits and pieces on him. The main defence of him seems to be that in the sort of extremist circles/part of the world he's in he's less extreme than some of the others, condemned 9/11 for example...

But incredibly racist to Jewish people and the support of FGM.

I'll just copy paste this bit here...

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Interestingly, his positions are criticized in some circles as being insufficiently extreme. While he has spoken out in support of suicide bombings – his condemnation of the 9/11 attacks, his lack of support for offensive jihads, and his refusal to condemn singing and movies have earned him the ire of some. For instance, in reaction to an al-Qaradawi fatwa that stated Muslims are allowed to sell pork and alcohol, the editors of the website of the Italian Muslim Assembly posted a letter under the heading, "A Warning for the Ummah against the Heretic Yusuf al-Qaradawi."[12] The letter read, "Dr. Qaradawi is today the public enemy N° 1 for Ahlu-s-Sunnah wa-l-Jama'ah [Families of the Sunnis and the Community]."[13]

Among al-Qaradawi's other so-called "moderate" beliefs criticized, is the stance that Islam supports democracy and the right to vote
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Firstly this guy is clearly very bad this bit is about the only 'nice' thing I've found and you might rightly suggest that this kind of stuff should just be standard.

I've never once thought of myself as a good person for allowing people to dance if they want....

Also Ken shouldn't be praising someone like this, not unless very carefully done regardless of the circumstances. You can for example say his stance on 9/11 is good. Calling him a leading progressive voice is just stupid, I understand the context may have been a crowd to which he could have been considered a progressive voice...

But Ken calling him a progressive voice reaches a much larger audience than just the context of the situation he does it in.

At best praising him like that is stupid and a little dangerous.

I imagine most moderate Muslims would fall in to pretty similar territory to the DUP on a lot of issues.

It is the problem I have with religion on the whole to be honest - in most faiths, even the moderates are allowed their bigotry

When I said moderate, or the quote said moderate it did only mean in very extreme circles, he'd be like the pacifist in an Al Qaeda meeting or the moderate on social matters in that meeting.

TBH you won't find much argument with me regarding religion, in general it is a negative effect. I just reject any idea that Islam is some kind of some special case over and above Christianity.

I'd argue it depends which Muslims for that being considered moderate and where we are talking about but I could imagine a Muslim community electing similar representatives in similar circumstances.