Off topic as nothing is happening in football apart from pointless internationals.
I notice that Jezza's Labour, home of communists and weird anti-Israeli obsessives, are voting against the Brexit repeal bill. Not trying to make admendmants but outright voting against. Let's be clear, Brexit is not possible without this bill and whatever your view of Brexit, this is a blatant attempt to thrawt the democratic will of the British people. This is exactly what Labour MP Kate Hoey just said.
Labour do not believe in democracy anymore. If elected I promise they will overturn Brexit. Also, you only have to see their admiration for the thugs in the Venezuelan government to know it's not far fetched they would suspend democracy itself.
Also, at all the MPs saying this is about parliamentry scrutiny. Where was their parliamentry scrutiny when they enacted 1000s of EU laws without so much as a single debate in Parliament.
Labour betraying the British people again
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comment by Wessie Road (The Stalinist Scousification of society) (U10652)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I qualified as an electrical technician via an apprenticeship before moving on to mechanical engineering, degree then an MSc while working that I self funded
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What’s nice about that is that you’ve ended up so pleased with yourself. Nice.
Did you learn how to do jazz hands?
There’s of course nothing wrong with what you did, and there should be more places available for it, but not sure what an apprenticeship would look like for, say, a doctor. Have a stab at some heart-surgery during the day, and maybe go to night-school to learn what you did wrong?
You’re not the only person who’s worked hard.
Junior doctors work their fvcking socks off.
It’s odd that Britain can’t afford to invest in things like healthcare and University education, on the premise that it’ll wreck the economy, when Germany can afford to pay for both, and its economy still spanks the a rse off ours.
Some contribution towards tuition fees is not necessarily a bad idea, but by allowing Universities to spank them up to the levels that they have, the Universities have been given a profit incentive to try and attract more and more students, so now we’re going the way of the US, where student levels are very high, and very expensive.
According to the league tables, the UK’s University system was already the best in the world when we weren’t charging tuition fees, so naturally we decided that it needed to be fvcked up by a profit motive.
The difference is not so much that investing in people will wreck the economy...the Germans have proved that it won’t ...but that any question of such investment is met with the question “Why should I fvcking pay for that?”, sometimes expressed as “I didn’t get to where I am today by being given things on a plate”.
So we’ll continue to have a low-wage, low-investment economy, but after next year, we won’t be able to blame it on the EU any more.
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I should. I came from an area that was ran down by a conservative government.
Worked hard and made sacrifices to get to where I want to be today. I had debt from University, I don't now.
A return of service to the NHS for Drs and Nurses/medical staff should be something that is looked into. Serve your time and get your tuition paid, make a sacrifice and work hard for a reward.
As for UK Universities, oxford and Cambridge are ranked 1 and 2, a third is top 10.
However the ratings are based on factors such as research income. How will this alter post brexit?
The other 7 are US based universities where student pay tuition fees.
The top 20 is dominated by the US with only the UK and a Swiss university making that list.
Funnily enough I don't seem to see a German university on the list?
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comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 12 minutes ago
I might be dumb guys but can someone tell me why we cant charge people the 9k university fee but give it back if they pass their degree, why should tax payer pay for 60% or so to drop out... ? they should have to pay themselves for wasting everyone's time and money
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Bingo.
But some feel it's a right to have a university education.
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comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 12 minutes ago
I might be dumb guys but can someone tell me why we cant charge people the 9k university fee but give it back if they pass their degree, why should tax payer pay for 60% or so to drop out... ? they should have to pay themselves for wasting everyone's time and money
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Sensible suggestion but students still need to learn about real life so maybe only pay them half back when they graduate and they can still have their loan tax free and only have to start paying it back when they are earning > £21k
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comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
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comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 12 minutes ago
I might be dumb guys but can someone tell me why we cant charge people the 9k university fee but give it back if they pass their degree, why should tax payer pay for 60% or so to drop out... ? they should have to pay themselves for wasting everyone's time and money
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Sensible suggestion but students still need to learn about real life so maybe only pay them half back when they graduate and they can still have their loan tax free and only have to start paying it back when they are earning > £21k
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Good suggestion. Work hard and be rewarded.
Be lazy, work in McDnalds and never reach lower threashold.
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University education has never been a right in the UK and neither should it be.
Further education to allow students of ANY age gain the necessary qualifications to qualify for university IS a right (and rightly so).
If you want a university degree then that should be paid for. I know this won't go down well but why should the taxpayer fund the university education of somebody who then takes their free education and uses it to get a job abroad?
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I should. I came from an area that was ran down by a conservative government.
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So do I. I’m guessing not too far from yours.
But it hasn’t made me inclined towards the “I didn’t get where I am today” schtick.
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Worked hard and made sacrifices to get to where I want to be today
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So did I, but it hasn’t made me inclined to think we shouldn’t invest in others.
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The top 20 is dominated by the US with only the UK and a Swiss university making that list.
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The US does dominate it, yes, but proportionate to population size, the UK has the highest number of top Universities.
But that was the case before we started charging for tuition fees.
The UK and the US are the two countries where I keep reading about “Left Behinds” and “Just About Managings”, which has been used to explain Brexit and Trump.
And they are the two countries with the highest tuition fees, which leads to higher student populations, because the Unis have a profit incentive to create more courses, and recruit more students .
Unless I’ve mistaken your position, you appear to be defending the system that creates more students and less productive courses, while at the same time thinking there’s too many students and too many unproductive courses.
Germany doesn’t have as many top Universities (though they would be higher if it included research-only institutions), but still seems to have a healthy economy, and doesn’t have a large segment of “Just about Managings” voting for right-wing fvckwits who are promising to help them out after a lifetime of fvcking them over.
It spends more of its GDP on healthcare than the UK does, which doesn’t appear to have fvcked up its economy, and its University courses are free (though they are thinking of introducing moderate charges, which would be fine, because they will no doubt stay moderate)
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comment by Wessie Road (The Stalinist Scousification of society) (U10652)
posted 11 minutes ago
It spends more of its GDP on healthcare than the UK does, which doesn’t appear to have fvcked up its economy, and its University courses are free (though they are thinking of introducing moderate charges, which would be fine, because they will no doubt stay moderate)
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That might have something to do with the social security insurances every employee / employer pays.
If you earn up to a certain threshold then both you and your employer pay approx %20 of your wage as a series of social security insurances. which include Health / Nursing care / Unemployment / Pension.
You can avoid the social security insurances if you have adequate private insurances.
These insurances are totally separate from the tax system which is why they can spend more of it's GDP on healthcare. Simple economics really, take more money, spend more money.
http://bit.ly/2vKYuXm
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These insurances are totally separate from the tax system
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A bit like NI, then?