Should Conte walk now?

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago

I rate Poch and am not oblivious to Klopps issues.

However the Dortmund vs espanyol thing doesn’t wash for me, when Klopp took over Dortmund they were at more or less the same standing as espanyol, constantly finishing mid tabke.
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That's an extremely wayward comparison.

BvB may have fallen on hard times when Klopp took over, but they were still a massive club, one of the most decorated in German football, former European Cup and Cup Winners' Cup Champions, one of the largest stadiums in Europe...

Poch was taking up his first job at the perennial ugly duckling in Barcelona, saddled with debt, most of his squad made up of academy players, and with the team in the relegation zone. He pulled them out of relegation and steered them to 10th via a miraculous victory at the Camp Nou against the almighty, all-conquering Pep Team - the club's first win there in 27 years.

The achievement were of a totally different scale, obviously, but it's hugely misleading to suggest that their respective clubs' standing was similar.
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Yeah Dortmund have always been a big club, but so are Forest. Dortmund at that stage we’re constantly languishing in mid table not achieving anything year after year. Espanyol were the same.

Klopps work to bring Dortmund back to being one of the bigger clubs in Europe was excellent.

comment by Tiddles (U17634)

posted 5 hours, 11 minutes ago

Don’t forget united not moving for Ruud Van Nistelroy until he had landed at the airport in the UK after Middlesbrough had spent weeks negotiating a deal with his club and him, and united walked him out the airport straight past the Middlesbrough delegation.

That’s a thousand times worse if you want to start having a whinge about any tiny thing in the game.
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Can you provide a link to this?
I was young so don't I exactly remember this being a thing.

According to a 2001 interview with The Daily Telegraph, Manchester United coach Sir Alex Ferguson said that his son Darren, who was at try-outs for Eredivisie rival Heerenveen at the time, begged his father, "You've got to sign Van Nistelrooy right away, he's fantastic. We've been watching him."[4] Ferguson sent team representatives to PSV's next league game and signed Van Nistelrooy the next day.[4]

Van Nistelrooy looked set to complete a club record £18.5 million transfer to Manchester United in the summer of 2000.[5] He was to be unveiled at a press conference four days later, but this was instead used to announce that the transfer had been postponed over concerns about his fitness, having not played for a month due to problems with his knee.[6] The transfer was then cancelled after PSV refused to agree to further medical tests,[7][8] and the next day he suffered a rupture to his anterior cruciate knee ligaments during a training session, leaving him injured for a year.[9][10]

A year later, Van Nistelrooy signed a five-year contract after passing his medical.
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From Wiki. I know it's not complete but that's more or less how I remembered it.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)

posted 5 hours, 11 minutes ago

Don’t forget united not moving for Ruud Van Nistelroy until he had landed at the airport in the UK after Middlesbrough had spent weeks negotiating a deal with his club and him, and united walked him out the airport straight past the Middlesbrough delegation.

That’s a thousand times worse if you want to start having a whinge about any tiny thing in the game.
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Can you provide a link to this?
I was young so don't I exactly remember this being a thing.
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Yeah I can’t find it. Must not have been RVN, i do remember reading united doing that with some Middlesbrough target though. Was sure it was ruud but obviously not

Could be Forlan, as he was linked with them before we signed him.

If he’s doesn’t walk he’ll be sacked very soon.

Tiddles, I know BvB were struggling, and I know the story around Klopp's arrival, methods and impact. I like and admire the guy too.

What I'm saying is that the situations each manager had to face aren't really comparable, because Klopp simply had a far better platform to work on.

I doubt you are aware of the situation Espanyol were going through or what Poch had to deal with, because if you were you wouldn't be presenting them as comparable cases.

It's Forlan that we got at the last minute ahead of Boro. It was 2002. RVN was bought a year after we planned to buy him because of a serious injury

Ahhhh yes Forlan, that rings a bell now. Cheers guys, not sure why i thought it was RVN.

I did warn you all!