Enoch Powell

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Just Shoot

The reason I brought up government policy is that it seems a lot of posters' problems with immigration stem from the apparent lack of available public services, as if government has no say in this.

To me, immigration should be expected and allowed as we are a rich country - rich off the back of our, let's say, 'exploration' of other countries. We can't be selfish when people from other countries want to share in the wealth.

Ideally we'd help other countries get to the point where their citizens would have no desire to come to the UK for work etc. but until then we should limit immigration to a level we can sustain. Obviously we'd need an honest government that puts the money back into public services to do this so it won't happen for now.

How do you define what we can sustain though ?

MiB

I suppose you'd have to have some metric to assess it by. Maybe a system that records how long your average hospital wait is, how many houses are available within your area etc. It would be complicated but we live in the information age and if it could all be quantified it could then be visibly improved by public investment and people could see the results statistically rather than by opinion. Ideally, public services would be kept up to scratch by the method HRH Ledley described.

Again, none of this will happen under the Tories.

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comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
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MiB

I suppose you'd have to have some metric to assess it by. Maybe a system that records how long your average hospital wait is, how many houses are available within your area etc. It would be complicated but we live in the information age and if it could all be quantified it could then be visibly improved by public investment and people could see the results statistically rather than by opinion. Ideally, public services would be kept up to scratch by the method HRH Ledley described.

Again, none of this will happen under the Tories.
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But surely you should compare current the wait times etc to what they were before the immigration boom ?

Just Shoot

Fair point, perhaps I have oversimplified things.

I definitely think we owe reparations at the very least to those countries, and the current population - being as is it the most comfortable and wealthy in our history, overall - should be prepared to accept immigrants who want to share in our good fortune. I'm not suggesting we accept unlimited numbers coming in because we owe the world for the past, but we could do more as a country to help level the playing field IMO.

MiB

I agree we should compare the figures. But like I said, in that time we've also had successive governments whose policy is to cut public spending so i don't think an accurate comparison would be possible.

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comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
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Just Shoot

Fair point, perhaps I have oversimplified things.

I definitely think we owe reparations at the very least to those countries, and the current population - being as is it the most comfortable and wealthy in our history, overall - should be prepared to accept immigrants who want to share in our good fortune. I'm not suggesting we accept unlimited numbers coming in because we owe the world for the past, but we could do more as a country to help level the playing field IMO.

MiB

I agree we should compare the figures. But like I said, in that time we've also had successive governments whose policy is to cut public spending so i don't think an accurate comparison would be possible.
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They may have cut public spending but if we had 10 million less people here those cuts wouldn't have as big an impact.