Jordan B. Peterson

I don't mean I watch him for his own leanings, tbh I don't really know what they are.

That show he does on his channel where he invites guests of any political standpoint and just chats with them. He doesn't get aggressive, he lets his guests talk and make their points. Very different to all these scripted political segments on tv.

As for myself, I'm not really sure what I am. I believe we should be doing more to help people, but people should do more to help themselves. I really just have no time for this identity politics crap that's sweeping the western world now. Dunno where that puts me.

Channel 4 news have also gone up in my estimations over the last year or so.

comment by Tu Meke Arteta (U3732)
posted 14 minutes ago
I don't mean I watch him for his own leanings, tbh I don't really know what they are.

That show he does on his channel where he invites guests of any political standpoint and just chats with them. He doesn't get aggressive, he lets his guests talk and make their points. Very different to all these scripted political segments on tv.

As for myself, I'm not really sure what I am. I believe we should be doing more to help people, but people should do more to help themselves. I really just have no time for this identity politics crap that's sweeping the western world now. Dunno where that puts me.
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Well the pundits you love are all right-wing heroes so perhaps you lean there. Rubin's whole shtick is letting his guests do the talking. Except his guests are overwhelmingly on the right - many of them far right (self-avowed white nationalists and identitarians included). He knows where his bread is buttered so he spends his time pandering to his "base" while pretending to be some open-minded centrist at the same time he says things like "liberalism is a disease". If you've listened to him waffle for any length of time on his own opinions, he's an absolute mug.

The thing about this whole backlash against "identity politics" and "political correctness" is how it's come to overcompensate the actual level of "threat" it is supposed to pose to society. These days, it's more offensive to call someone a racist even when they explicitly prove to be so, than it is to actually be racist. Larry Elder was just rambling on his Twitter account about Roseanne's cancellation. The same guy who was offended a few weeks ago by a comedian calling Sarah Sanders a liar and cracking jokes about her eyeliner, pandered to his base by taking more offense at a racist's punishment than the racist likening a woman of colour to an ape. And of course, it's supposed to have more credibility because it's coming from him, a black man. I just don't get that set of priorities.

“These days, it's more offensive to call someone a racist even when they explicitly prove to be so, than it is to actually be racist. “

Very true. The goalposts are then moved because people don’t think they’re a racist unless they’re on a par with a member of the KKK...

At most, I'd say I'm in the centre, probably slightly right leaning. But then I love the NHS and other public services, so what the heck do I know.

With Rubin, I think it's ok to change your stance on certain issues if you feel the need to. With him, it's not his political views that change, it's how people perceive his leanings. He used to call himself a liberal, but now he believes in today's society those values make you conservative. Regarding his guests, he says he invites lefty guests on his show, but they decline and he implies they bottle it as they wouldn't be able to hold their own against him. How true that is about his invitations, only he knows.

Agree with your point about racism. I feel like a hypocrite in this regard as I do make jokes about it (even at my own expense), but there's situations where it goes too far. Roseanne Barr is a facking loon, and anyone could tell she was setting herself up for her current situation.

With Rubin, I think it's ok to change your stance on certain issues if you feel the need to. With him, it's not his political views that change, it's how people perceive his leanings. He used to call himself a liberal, but now he believes in today's society those values make you conservative. Regarding his guests, he says he invites lefty guests on his show, but they decline and he implies they bottle it as they wouldn't be able to hold their own against him. How true that is about his invitations, only he knows.
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Sam Seder once publicly called him out asking to be on Rubin's show and Rubin turned him down apparently cos the guy was too antagonistic for him. He's probably spinning BS to claim that and hilariously over-inflating his own debating ability (he doesn't even debate - he hosts guest monologues). He invites right-wingers and allows them drone on endlessly without confronting their opinions. It is his safe space. And the business model has worked for him. Plenty of liberal commentators have publicly criticized him for not inviting left-wing guests and there is no indication any of those people turned him down.

I have zero problems with him changing his stance. It's watching his singular obsession with left-wing caricatures and pretending they are the ONLY problem in American politics that I find unbelievably, intellectually dishonest. And his spinelessness in his failure or impotence in confronting the opinions of avowed white nationalists that I find vile. There is something wrong with someone if a transgender activist winds you up more than the vile bigots you give a platform.

Peterson has some good material but has somewhat become a gimmick of himself. In my opinion, he’s stepped outside the boundaries of clinical psychology. He's starting to take on questions which have zero to do with clinical psychology and because he is smart and eloquent, he knows people will listen. I don’t think he says anything hugely unique though.

I think Rubin is a good host/speaker but as pointed above, has little integrity. He used to work for TYT so it shouldn't surprise anyone that he’s like that

As for the others like Shapiro – I think they’re right on some issues but are unbelievably unbalanced regarding others. It irritates the hell out of me, especially when he berates identity politics yet fanatically supports a nation built on the concept of identity.

I actually wouldn't consider Robinson far-right (take that from someone who actually does hold some far-right views ); he just seems more like a leftist who has a dislike towards Islam. This makes him even more insufferable because he doesn't offer anything outside of tedious rants against Muslims. Ann Marie Waters is another who is the same.

“A spokeswoman for Sanofi, the pharmaceutical company that makes Ambien, said in response to Barr's tweets about taking the sedative: "While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication."

On Roseanne Barr blaming sleeping pills on tweeting racist comments.

Now this was a conversation I didn't want to miss. Such a shame.

Yes, JP is brilliant.

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago
With Rubin, I think it's ok to change your stance on certain issues if you feel the need to. With him, it's not his political views that change, it's how people perceive his leanings. He used to call himself a liberal, but now he believes in today's society those values make you conservative. Regarding his guests, he says he invites lefty guests on his show, but they decline and he implies they bottle it as they wouldn't be able to hold their own against him. How true that is about his invitations, only he knows.
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Sam Seder once publicly called him out asking to be on Rubin's show and Rubin turned him down apparently cos the guy was too antagonistic for him. He's probably spinning BS to claim that and hilariously over-inflating his own debating ability (he doesn't even debate - he hosts guest monologues). He invites right-wingers and allows them drone on endlessly without confronting their opinions. It is his safe space. And the business model has worked for him. Plenty of liberal commentators have publicly criticized him for not inviting left-wing guests and there is no indication any of those people turned him down.

I have zero problems with him changing his stance. It's watching his singular obsession with left-wing caricatures and pretending they are the ONLY problem in American politics that I find unbelievably, intellectually dishonest. And his spinelessness in his failure or impotence in confronting the opinions of avowed white nationalists that I find vile. There is something wrong with someone if a transgender activist winds you up more than the vile bigots you give a platform.
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https://youtu.be/Ev3-7HLcZ5o

Dave Rubin went on the joe Rogan podcast. I see what you mean now, I never really followed his opinions before, but listening to him here he seems very inconsistent and naive.