Something i have increasingly started noticing with the talk of the new Chelsea managers job, is that fans always seem to find an excuse to put a manager down and downplay his achievements.
We have the likes of Sarri, Pochettino and Tuchell who overachieve at clubs with small budgets and it's "but they have never won anything" or nothing bar one cup in Tuchell's case.
You then get the likes of Luis Enrique, Zinedine Zidane, Lauren Blanc, Pep Guardiola and Max Allegri who can answer the show us your medal calls with an array of them and the response is "oh but anyone can do it with those teams".
Even Jardim and Klopp who managed to go a step further than the first four and win the league on a small budget i have heard from some people they mainly benefitted from the favorites being below par.
So it seems the only way a manager can truly get credit is if they take on a massive, massive underdog and win the league, oh wait, Ranieri did that and no one rates him either.
So what do managers have to do to get due credit? because the modern era seems to have fans trying to pick holes in their achievements. Be it lack of silverware, doing it with money, fluke or what not!!!
Can managers win?
posted on 29/5/18
Yes managers can win..... Just not Klopp in finals
posted on 29/5/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
How many other Dortmund, Atleti or Monaco managers have won the league in the last 30 years?
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Dortmund.
Sammer x 1, Hitzfeld x2
Atletico
Antic x 1
Monaco
Arsene x 1 Tigana x 1 Puel x 1
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Not exactly a shiiit ton then is it?
Yet people talk like winning the league with those teams should be easy.
posted on 30/5/18
Harlequin Sam Allardyce and Tony Pulis are not bad managers but quite capable ones.Pardew and Grant are useless I agree. Fulham manager is a Chelsea legend?I did not know that but I did know that he played for Chelsea previously.
posted on 30/5/18
I think managers like Klopp, Poch and Simeone deserve great credit. Klopp more so in his Dortmund days as he is spending a fair few quid at Liverpool and has gotten no closer to the league than Rodgers.
Guardiola is being hailed as some sort of genius for this season and yes City had a blinder but I think Cities first season says alot more about Guardiola than this season, He couldn't work with what he had so he had (Kompany, Silva, De Bruyne, Yaya, Aguero and Sterling) So he had to spunk another £200M. Hes gonna spend £75M here on Mahrez even tho City have Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Aguero, Jesus and Sane for these positions.
Managers like Jardim, Sarri, Tuchel(Pre PSG), Simeone and Poch are 100% better coaches than Pep who can work with the players they have and genuinely improve them.
posted on 30/5/18
In my opinion a manager needs to show 3 or 4 years of consistently making good decisions, on the pitch and off it. Conte started off well, found a perfect formula but was terrible in nearly every big game we had and couldn't adjust to tough situations. I would still rate conte's time with us as an 8 out of 10 though.
posted on 30/5/18
Guardiola wasn’t brought in to get immediate results with the squad of players he had though. Klopp or Pochettino both would have struggled with the same group for the exact same reason - age of the fullbacks.
posted on 30/5/18
Guardiola is being hailed as some sort of genius for this season and yes City had a blinder but I think Cities first season says alot more about Guardiola than this season, He couldn't work with what he had so he had (Kompany, Silva, De Bruyne, Yaya, Aguero and Sterling) So he had to spunk another £200M. Hes gonna spend £75M here on Mahrez even tho City have Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Aguero, Jesus and Sane for these positions.
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One of the greatest strengths a manager can possess is identify his teams weaknesses and address them swiftly. Keep it simple stupid. Ferguson did the exact same thing at United for years. If he needed a striker, he paid the money and got the best one, no messing about.
Guardiola has been City's MVP this season. His in game management and minor tweaks to the system depending on the opposition in front of him have been the difference. It's something we hadn't seen from him prior to this season and he stepped up. Top class manager which the PL made even better
posted on 30/5/18
Spot on.
posted on 31/5/18
Management in, or at, football clubs is very much over stated.
For a start, on the pitch, good players manage themselves. Secondly, player transfer policy is (or should be) a club decision. Thirdly, individual performances are enhanced/reduced etc., by the ability/inability of the coaching staff.
Line up selection and substitute selection are the only real responsibility.
That is why United are weak at the moment.
The board are making poor transfer decisions, buying inexperienced, loser, crap from inferior leagues and relying far too much on players from the academy that are cack.
cannot imagine players like keane, ferdinand, cantona, scholes, neville, butt, neville, Giggs needing managing when on the pitch. They just got on with sorting themselves and each other out.
Conversely rashford, martial, lingard, herrera are all born losers and have little footballing or team intelligence.
That's the issue, no manager/coach can really work miracles with detritus like that
posted on 7/6/18
Management in, or at, football clubs is very much over stated.
For a start, on the pitch, good players manage themselves. Secondly, player transfer policy is (or should be) a club decision. Thirdly, individual performances are enhanced/reduced etc., by the ability/inability of the coaching staff.
Line up selection and substitute selection are the only real responsibility.
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That's the calling card of a terrible manager. Someone who sees his only jobs as tactics and in game management. Managers might have less responsibility than they did 10-15 years ago, but a good manager will still imprint his personality and philosophies on the club from top to bottom.
Post Ferguson United is a fantastic example of the impact (or lack of) managers can have on a club.
Moyes - Average manager completely out of his depth. Not able to imprint his ideology successfully what so ever.
LVG - Decent manager with a strong ideology, but one completely at odds with United's traditions and his strength of character wasn't enough to overcome that.
Jose - Good manager with an ideology more in sync with United and the strength of character to enforce it and effect real change - might not be change the fans want but that's another debate.