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Trump in town

I see 250,000 Brits have taken to the streets of London to protest against the orange gimp with little hands.

Amazing turn out!

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To recognise this great event Iโ€™d like to share a piece about Trump, which also looks at the broader picture.


Fintan O'Toole for The Irish Times:

โ€œTo grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism โ€“ a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget โ€œpost-fascist" โ€“ what we are living with is pre-fascism.

It is easy to dismiss Donald Trump as an ignoramus, not least because he is. But he has an acute understanding of one thing: test marketing. He created himself in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids, where celebrity is manufactured by planting outrageous stories that you can later confirm or deny depending on how they go down. And he recreated himself in reality TV where the storylines can be adjusted according to the ratings. Put something out there, pull it back, adjust, go again.

Fascism doesnโ€™t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.
One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections โ€“ weโ€™ve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities.

Fascism does not need a majority โ€“ it typically comes to power with about forty percent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesnโ€™t matter if most people hate you, as long as your forty percent is fanatically committed. Thatโ€™s been tested out too.

And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of โ€œalternative facts" impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.
But when youโ€™ve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery.

Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination.

People have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group.

It is this next step that is being test-marketed now. It is being done in Italy by the far-right leader and minister for the interior Matteo Salvini. How would it go down if we turn away boatloads of refugees? Letโ€™s do a screening of the rough-cut of registering all the Roma and see what buttons the audience will press. And it has been trialled by Trump: letโ€™s see how my fans feel about crying babies in cages. I wonder how it will go down with Rupert Murdoch.

To see, as most commentary has done, the deliberate traumatisation of migrant children as a โ€œmistake" by Trump is culpable naivety. It is a trial run โ€“ and the trial has been a huge success. Trumpโ€™s claim last week that immigrants โ€œinfest" the US is a test-marketing of whether his fans are ready for the next step-up in language, which is of course โ€œvermin".

And the generation of images of toddlers being dragged from their parents is a test of whether those words can be turned into sounds and pictures. It was always an experiment โ€“ it ended (but only in part) because the results were in.

And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it โ€“ his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors. They went the whole swinish hog: even the brown babies are liars. Those sobs of anguish are typical of the manipulative behaviour of the strangers coming to infest us โ€“ should we not fear a race whose very infants can be so devious?

Continued below...

posted on 19/7/18

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
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comment by Tyler Durden (U21874)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
posted 11 hours, 30 minutes ago
No actual reason then, you just don't like more brown babies being born.

Say no more!
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Stop try8ng to make it about colour you bloody victim
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1 in 3 UK births to mothers bir utside UK.

I'm assuming that's supposed to say "born out side of the UK"

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Really is quite amusing how bad his English is when he seems to have issues with foreigners.

There's another poster who often complains about foreigners yet English proficiency is about 7 year old Thai child level. The irony...
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Would you like us to correct your English in that post?

Really, this is a forum where people are on phones typing with autocorrect and tiny touch pads. Pointing out mistakes is a little... meh.
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Very well said dude

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posted on 20/7/18

comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 13 hours, 59 minutes ago
Really is quite amusing how bad his English is when he seems to have issues with foreigners.
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Completely Irrelevant to anything.

Does spelling effect over population?
the fact they cannot communicate well verbally?
The fact they don't want to intergrate into our culture and way of life in our country.
Does it effect the fact they have nearly broken the NHS
ETC ETC
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@JUST SHOOT, see what I mean.

So devoid of self awareness that they don't even recognise the same limitations they possess that they berate foreigners for having.
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Weird post.

posted on 20/7/18

Do you understand the difference between over population and just not being a55ed to build new houses
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Yes lets dig up more countryside to build houses or build yet more apartment blocks to accommodate people from other countries


because you'ed rather spend it on weapons, letting off corporate tax dodgers
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No I Bloody wouldn't I think trident is the biggest waste of money in history and the fact that companies get off paying their fair share is a disgrace, dont put words in my mouth either


and spending billions of tax payers money on bailing out banks?
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Unfortunately this was necessary, what would you prefer, banks to fail and the whole country go into financial ruin? There was no alternative.

Even if we had zero immigration our public services would still be over run eventually if we don't actually spend money on new schit!
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this is simply only a half truth, if there was zero immigration services would not be half as stretched. But yes, we need to spend money.

We have densely populated areas and ghost towns like Margate.
By making other areas more attractive to live in you can spread the population out more evenly and ease the strain on hospitals and schools in the major cities.
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Its a good suggestion, but not as easy as all that is it?

posted on 21/7/18

comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 13 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 2 days, 6 hours ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿผ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ (U18082)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago


You said you have extensive knowledge on this subject, is there any research which points towards human beings needing animal meat to maintain a healthier life style?

Genuine question, I have no idea...
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Evolutionarily speaking, eating meat is what made humans what we are today. There's a fair amount of peer-reviewed literature on the subject covering a few different reasons why meat eating was/is important.

Here's a link to an abstract of a Nature journal article. If anyone wants the full publication then let me know as I have subscriptions to all the major journal publishing companies.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16990

There are physiological adaptations that make us much more intelligent (debatable at times hehe) than other hominids, greater capacity for vocalisation and speech, higher yield of essential amino acids for protein and hormone development linked with brain and growth function, advancement in basic tool development, and other reasons why eating meat made us, us.

I've spent a number of years as a vego but do currently eat meat. My GF is a hardcore carnivore! In saying that, a healthy diet can be meat-free.

As a scientist who teaches human physiology to med students in my spare time, I do think some meat in one's diet is a good thing for health. Certainly less than I and most people currently eat, but some meat is better than full vegan diet in my opinion.

Environmentally, high ratio meat diets are so, so, so bad. We have got to change. It's pretty simple biological economics really. ~90% energy loss per trophic level of the food chain. It doesn't make sense to eat other carnivores in particular.
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Thanks for this, would have been good to see a debate between you and Berbaking on this subject.


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Make it happen Kung Fu
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I'm keen whenever! Berba, I'm coming for you

Shinji, I tend to agree with Berba on most threads that I see him post on so this wouldn't be too heated. It's an interesting topic though. Gladly get into some of the evolution/physiology side of it more.
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I’d like to see it regardless of temperature

posted on 22/7/18

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 2 days, 4 hours ago
Dave, how long have you lived in Thailand? I tried it and it drove me nuts! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Great place for a holiday, but I would never live there again.
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I lived in Thailand for 7 years in Chiang Mai,Bangkok and Phuket I left when the military dictatorship took power this time again.I was at the Erawan Shrine in Bangkok just after the terrible bombing of the place and it was absolute carnage,I never really liked Bangkok anyway but after three years and seeing that decided to leave.
I headed for Phnom Penh,Cambodia a beautiful,low-rise colonial city sitting lazily on the banks of the mighty Mekong River.
Wide open boulevards and green spaces everywhere I loved that place,great restaurants in BKK1 and Riverside plus the people are so genuine there.
They even call it the land of genuine smiles with Thailand obviously being the land of fake smiles although I still love Northern Thailand the real Thailand!
Back in the UK now for 10 months it's as bad as ever here now and plotting my next escape,probably heading for Vietnam and Saigon/Ho Chi Minh City but it's only 3-4 hours by fast boat up the Mekong to Phnom Penh so I'll probably spend the weekends there anyway?

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