Was Mourinho to blame?

*bulk of your argument

Mourinho should us the respect he demands imo. we all loved him until he started bad mouthing us. When Rafa was our manager he never made any negative comments about Liverpool, that's how a decent respectful manager should behave.

FAO Wahl/Erik

For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
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comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 16 hours, 56 minutes ago
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.

The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
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Chelsea probably are different - just Mourinho is a professional and he’s just doing his job. Although singing contes name a few months after Mourinho was fired and forgiving the players that were responsible for Mourinho’s sacking doesn’t really show loyalty from
The Chelsea fans to Mourinho, does it?

And the reason why Chelsea fans shouldn’t act the same way is that, being a manager is Mourinho’s job. He has to do things the best way that will allow him to do the best performance as a manager that he can. He shouldn’t have to pull punches and not say thing he would say about other teams about Chelsea. His job is to do the best he can for United now, so that’s what he has to do. He has to be professional. I can’t blame him for that. The fans have no responsibility like that, so there’s no excuse for them to treat Mourinho badly.

comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
FAO Wahl/Erik

For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
Total b locks

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Dude, you once told me you wanted to see me get beaten up, your opinion is worthless.

comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 16 hours, 56 minutes ago
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.

The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
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Chelsea probably are different - just Mourinho is a professional and he’s just doing his job. Although singing contes name a few months after Mourinho was fired and forgiving the players that were responsible for Mourinho’s sacking doesn’t really show loyalty from
The Chelsea fans to Mourinho, does it?

And the reason why Chelsea fans shouldn’t act the same way is that, being a manager is Mourinho’s job. He has to do things the best way that will allow him to do the best performance as a manager that he can. He shouldn’t have to pull punches and not say thing he would say about other teams about Chelsea. His job is to do the best he can for United now, so that’s what he has to do. He has to be professional. I can’t blame him for that. The fans have no responsibility like that, so there’s no excuse for them to treat Mourinho badly.
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He got himself fired by losing 9 games in 16

Why can't Mourinho be a professional and respect Chelsea more than most at the same time? It's like a player refusing to celebrate against a former team, just don't play his pre-match games against us? United fans would understand that, as I said before fans aren't stupid. It's fine if he chooses not to do that, but you can't expect all Chelsea fans to be on board with it by saying he's just being professional. Pep wouldn't disrespect Barca, Klopp wouldn't disrespect Dortmund (he's taken shots at Bayern as Pool boss ), he could choose to just be more classy than he usually is when talking about us.

Listen I was fully on board wit the players being backstabbers argument. To tell you the truth I don't participlarly like this squad with have atm, too many entitled players who down tool too easily (did the same to Conte), but we can't do much about it, we have what we have and we need to support them. Holding a grudge because of the way they've treated previous managers is counter productive. If Mourinho is being the professional you claim he is, he would understand that better than anyone would he not?

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comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 11 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
FAO Wahl/Erik

For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
Total b locks

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Dude, you once told me you wanted to see me get beaten up, your opinion is worthless.
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Never said that. You were saying something along the lines that we were nothing years ago so I said I'd like to see the north stand do their job one more time.


So how do you explain celebrating a 6th goal if you don't like Conte celebrating a 4th? Why shouldn't any manager celebrate any goal his team scores?

Truth be told, Mourinho has no excuse to take jabs at Chelsea to impress It's fans or maybe himself, we made him and he made us. i truly appreciate what he did for us but I've realised he also did it for himself too, not out of love for us. if he guide It's to win the league three years in a row, he wouldn't think twice or consider Chelsea.