Mourinho on TV

comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows (U22042)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I thought you were the one getting angry, you said it yourself.

You really should be banned. It's an open forum. I've not exaggerated anything, at all.
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If you think I should be banned then get the furrrk off my articles idiot. I'm tired of people blaming me for the fact they don't like my articles. Just don't comment on them and furrrk off then.
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Why are you always getting so angry? You've already had comments moderated.
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Lol, you don't even know what that comment said.

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 7 minutes ago
Jose should employ you as his spin doctorIt would save him embarrassing himself when he does these interviews.
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Nothing he said was wrong. This is exactly like the football heritage press conference, people don't like hearing the truth if it goes against what they believe, so they bury their head in the sand and try and pretend it's not true.

It's not that he's wrong I've just not seen other managers have to come out and defend their record and perception the way he has, not the first time he's done it as well. Guardiola doesn't have to come out and tell people he plays attacking football because everyone can see it. You can tell Mourinho is so butthurt because he is disliked and doesn't get as much respect as other managers, even though he's won more. But he acted like a and disrespected a lot of managers especially earlier in his career, and now it's coming back to bite him in the ass. He's tried to act as more of a statesman in recent years but nobody really buys it.

Oh I get it you're an Arsenal fan. Makes sense now.

Not even your fellow Chelsea fans like him

Cool.

Wahl, you made some decent points.

Let's break it down a bit though.

Backing of the fans - It's no surprise that United fans didn't want him. The club has an ethos that Jose is Unsuitable for. But it is actually wrong to say the fans didn't want him. He was hired after LVG and the fan base, from what I have seen online here and elsewhere, we're split on him. The first two seasons he was backed by the fans, even those that didn't support his appointment. Now, some might say he never truly got 100% backing, this is true. But comparison to Klopp and Pep aren't really the same. You can't go on about how they got backed and then talk about their league positions, etc without seeing where they were (Klopp) or what they did for the appointment of the coach (Pep). Neither three situations were the same.

Backing signing players - the first two windows, Jose was backed extensively. To say he wasn't would be a lie. The amounts of signings and the success they have had under him has already been mentioned by other posters. Let's say that his only true success has been Zlatan, and even that is debatable.

GK - Got in Grant as a third choice keeper. Nothing needs to be said here.

He signed two CBs and a FB for the future. Bailly had a good first season. The second he was, for the most part, injured. Lindelof was brought in in his second season but didn't seem up to speed or physicality of the PL. They still could be good signings but they haven't performed for Jose and the way he sets up the team. Dalot has looked good when played but is for the future.

In Midfield he brought in Fred (see Lindelof, could take time for him to get used to the PL), Mhiki, Pogba, and Matic. Matic started well last season but faded as the season went on. And started this season where the last ended. He is the only pure DM we have and we are already asking for an Upgrade. Pogba, we'll, Jose wasn't sure what to do with him. Used him as a deep lying mf, boxtobox and Am and couldn't get the best out of him on a consistent basis. Zlatan mentioned that Pogba needs to be "free" and Jose may be too structured for him. Mhiki was being bedded into the side but never really played well in the PL. He did well in EL games. Last season he started well statwise but his performances weren't good. When those stats dried up, he lost his place and now he is at Arsenal doing as he did here.

Attackers: Zlatan (though free, brought in on huge wages), Lukaku and Sanchez. Zlatan is the only signing that we can say did well. Lukaku was decent last season, but failed in the big games. He wasn't suited to Jose's style of CF. He's was second choice but Real wanted to dcik around with the fee and Morata has since proven to be much worse than Lukaku. Sanchez was brought in and everyone but UnitedWeWin thought that he'll be used on the right as Martial had the left sided position all down up. Jose then decides to move Martial to the right and play Sanchez on the left. After one game on the right, drops Martial and keeps playing Sanchez on the left despite being poor for the rest of the season.

That's a lot of transfer fee and wages right there.

How many can you say have been a hit under Jose?

Let's not forget, he did ship out Mhiki (his own signing) and many other players that didn't suit his style. He has kept others, such as Fellaini, who could have left this summer if it weren't for him. He wanted Pogba out and Martial, the latter had kept him in the job longer than he deserved this season.

In fact, despite his treatment of Martial, he has done very well to get as many goals and assists under Jose.

Jose wanted another CB in the summer. The club did actually look for them and we were linked with a host of CBs, amongst other players. Yet how many of them would have improved our team or were good enough to come in or worth the money the team wanted in order for us to buy?

The Italian based players were touted as 60m+ with the defender from Napoli apparently having a 95m bid rejected. A bid for Godin was made but he renewed his contract. Alderweireld was offered to United at 50m+ yet we know he would be available for 25m this summer and we already have a big flop in Sanchez(30) on the books. Then there is Maguire. Who was touted at 80m as they didn't want to sell. He isn't any better than anything we have. The only plus would be him being better than Jones and Lindelof in the air.

Sandro was also linked but Jose nor the club seemed sure on him.

Out of his signings, we had one player who did well - Zlatan.
A few who started well and then became poor - Lukaku, Matic and Bailly.
A player who blew hot and cold in Pogba.
Flops in Sanchez and Mhiki.
players not used enough to fully judge in Fred and Lindelof.

He did manage to help Shaw, after 2 years, but stunted the growth of Martial and Rashford.

I do agree about one thing. They should have either backed him or fired him. It was why offering him a new contract last season was stupid of Woodward. And I blame Woodward as much for the past few years of the direction this club has taken. More so than Jose, who was never the right fit for this club.

Great comment bro. Really respect that you took the time to actually post a proper comment rather than just talk shiiit like other people.

I'm a little confused about your point about the fans backing or not backing Mourinho. You're agreeing with what Mourinho said, that he didn't have the same conditions as Guardiola and Klopp. I mostly agree with what you've said about the Man Utd fans, although I don't think you can say "The first two seasons he was backed by the fans, even those that didn't support his appointment." There were Man Utd fans last season after the Champions League final defeat to Seville asking for Mourinho to be fired. This while Mourinho was 2nd in the Premier League. Can you call that backing your manager? If that were Klopp at Liverpool, do you think their fans would have wanted them to be fired? Liverpool in three years under Klopp went from 6th to 8th to 4th to 4th again. Never is Klopp under the same criticism from fans as Mourinho is when he goes from 5th to 6th(with two trophies and CL qualification) to 2nd. I don't quite understand the difference and why the Liverpool fans being on Klopp's side while the Man Utd fans largely doubt Mourinho makes sense and is completely fair?

As for transfers, you've looked at each signing individually and assessed them again all one by one. And I agree, no one signing is a Salah, none of them are that good on their own. That's fair enough, but how does it make sense that Mourinho takes a squad that finished 5th the season before he took over and takes them to 2nd within two seasons? How is it possible that he improves Man Utd's league form to the point they can get 80+ points last season after never getting that many points in one season since Sir Alex Ferguson left? I don't understand why you want to look at signings individually and how good they are instead of looking at the bigger picture which is the combination of all the signings Mourinho has made (for better or for worse) and the work he did in two years moved Man Utd forwards from 5th place, outside the Champions league, to 2nd place with Champions League football achieved every season. I completely agree with you that Mourinho was backed in his first two seasons and he took Man Utd forwards in those two seasons so no problems there. If your argument is that because not many of his signings individually shone that Mourinho shouldn't have continued to have been backed in the transfer market, isn't it more important to say that in 2 years Mourinho took Man Utd forwards in the league table, back into the Champions League, back to winning trophies and so because of THAT, he deserved to be continued to be backed and to hopefully continue that progress. In terms of Klopp and Guardiola, Klopp took Liverpool forwards less in 3 years than Mourinho did Man Utd in 2 years and continued to be backed completely by his club. Guardiola didn't take Man City forwards in season 1, he actually took them backwards, and still got backed completely by his club. And you mention that they had different situations to Mourinho, and that's exactly the point Mourinho was making. The situations were different and Mourinho would have wanted to have the support from Man Utd that Klopp and Guardiola get from their clubs.

I agree with your last paragraph, but there was literally no reason to stop backing Mourinho or fire him. He was taking you forwards. Why did the club give up last summer, its inexplicable. What reason did they have to think that backing Mourinho wasn't the right thing to do considering he had taken Man Utd forwards in his first two seasons?

Regarding the backing - when he was appointment, the fanbase were split on him. But once he became our coach, we supported him. Even though we had reservations about him, that have proven to be true for the most part (I did think he'll leave with a PL title before being sacked in his third season), as he was out coach, we had to give him our support. At least until it became clear he wasn't up to it.

His loss against Sevilla, due to how we set up and played, as well as his comments afterwards, riled up a lot of fans. Yet, none of that transfered into the stadium. You need to know, that criticism, even emotional ones, doesn't equate to not supporting him when the team are playing.

He was sacked as a team he took second last year, he had outside the top 4 and looking less likely to get Top four. If anything, United have been too patient in getting rid of the coaches they have hired, each a wrong fit.

Jose would have probably don't better with the squad SAF left behind than Moyes, but the team LVG left behind wasn't the right fit, and as a club overall, Jose wasn't the right fit for the club.

Regarding his performance, winning the EL had saved him his job. He finished 6th in his first season. We drew too many games and relied a lot on Zlatan to get the goals. Zlatan himself was hardly dropped, despite going through a dry spell.

He made progress in his second season, but there were still issues in that side. Issues, that signings themselves would not fix.

Jose doesn't stay too long in a job, so he wasn't backed when he wanted Martial and Pogba out. He wasn't backed in getting a CB in due to circumstances. We did try to get players in, but those deemed good enough either hand their bid rejected or stayed. Those that were deemed not better than what we have were rejected.

Before that, Jose did get his way.

Oh, We did sign Fred in the summer as well as Dalot. And getting Grant in so a youth GK that is rated highly at the club and Jose himself could go on loan.

He lost the players and the fans this season due to how he felt and acted because we failed to get in a CB. Instead of making do as Poch did, he downed tools and starting blaming others.

Wahldude

I keep struggling to find the José Mourinhbro board when browsing JA606.

Do you think it'd be worth asking Admin if he'd list Mourinho with the PL teams on the list of football clubs (because, let's face it, he belongs in the PL), or even a shortcut to the board on the JA606 homepage.

Maybe right under the banner at the top?