Lucas Moura

Emery sold lucas Moura to Spurs

comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 33 minutes ago
Average is harsh, I’ll admit.

However with the teams he and Dein put together, he should have won the CL at least once, if not twice. And no back-time-back titles?

Two massive holes in his legacy right there, before we even start discussing his overseeing our slide into what we became under him.
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I agree he should have achieved a lot more. But I think Wenger was more focused on domestic success than in Europe, which admittedly is a negative. One of his biggest blunders imo was carelessly dismantling the Invincibles without a proper plan for transition because I still believe some of those players were good enough to take us to the next phase. For instance, I feel Vieira would have been a huge asset for us in the CL final.

The European elite are as weak as they have ever been in comparison to the Premier League. Wenger had to compete against some top quality opposition. The only year where you could say he messed up was 2003/04, where all we had to do was beat Chelsea, and it was ours.

Yup, Moura was great value, I thought he would be a brilliant addition but we weren't even in for him.

In the past I always thought our scouts & the hapless Wenger must know more than we do when it comes to such specific signings but over the years I have come to the conclusion that they were just sh|t at recruitment...

comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 8 hours, 6 minutes ago
All those seasons in the CL, all the money it bought in. Feels like every single penny was either utterly wasted or syphoned off.

Just goes to show Wenger might have been a great innovator, but even at his peak he was an average manager.

Will be a disgrace if Spurs win the CL. It will end any talk of Wenger being one of the greats of the game.
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Said it for years that David Dein got too little credit for our success. Wenger's ability to recognise needs and then to find appropriate players was only really tested after 2012 when he had money to buy players but there was no Dein to hold his hand. Quality technical directors are vital.

comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 8 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 54 minutes ago
All those seasons in the CL, all the money it bought in. Feels like every single penny was either utterly wasted or syphoned off.

Just goes to show Wenger might have been a great innovator, but even at his peak he was an average manager.

Will be a disgrace if Spurs win the CL. It will end any talk of Wenger being one of the greats of the game.
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Idiotic comment from an idiot no doubt. We are talking about some of the best teams we have ever seen in the modern era that Wengers teams were competing with. Quite frankly the quality around Europe has been shocking hence why its looking like 2 all English finals. Spurs have had an insane amount of luck too, outplayed by both ajax and City
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Try and say that again without crying you bitter c*** We are in a champions league final, only something you can dream of with this Arsenal team. Suck that one in

Knowing our owners they’ll look at spurs not spending in the summer and think we don’t have to either to improve.

Don't see how spurs getting to a final has anything to do with Wenger but we're all hurting from the thought of them winning the CL before us.

Everyone has to direct their emotions somewhere

comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 9 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 54 minutes ago
All those seasons in the CL, all the money it bought in. Feels like every single penny was either utterly wasted or syphoned off.

Just goes to show Wenger might have been a great innovator, but even at his peak he was an average manager.

Will be a disgrace if Spurs win the CL. It will end any talk of Wenger being one of the greats of the game.
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Idiotic comment from an idiot no doubt. We are talking about some of the best teams we have ever seen in the modern era that Wengers teams were competing with. Quite frankly the quality around Europe has been shocking hence why its looking like 2 all English finals. Spurs have had an insane amount of luck too, outplayed by both ajax and City
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Alongside Dein, Wenger was part of a team that put together a fantastic group of players. I don't deny this, and will always be grateful to him for that. In fact they were so good that I knew at the time there was a chance that I wouldn't see a better bunch at Arsenal again in my lifetime, and often wondered whether fellow Gooners realised that.

So why then the feeling that ultimately Wenger came up short? Because when it came to the top European competition, the magnificent side he helped build, underachieved. And he oversaw it. That can't be denied.

European team may well have been stronger back then than than they are now, but domestically they were far weaker. So you cannot play one side of the argument without considering the other. Therefore my 'idiotic' point is more than valid.

I'm not asking anyone to hate Wenger, or dismiss going the season unbeaten in the league - it was and still is a remarkable achievement. But don't forget there were a lot of draws in there played out against some fairly limited teams, so it wasn't as if we steamrollered our way to the title either.

So it's all relative.

Anyway, lovely chatting with you, as always...