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comment by The Night King (U20644)
posted 1 minute ago

How many "ifs" in your comment.

Liverpools midfield is significantly better than ours. Experienced, industrious and unified.

Plus they have 3 world class strikers ahead.

We are so far behind it is a joke.
We dont even know our best 3 midfield or best 3 attackers.
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There are always going to be ifs. We could have bought a midfielder in, but he would only improve the team if he fit into the system. We could have signed Dybala, but we would only have made an impact if he was properly motivated rather than just in it for the money. There is no guarantee with any signing, as there isn't with promoting youth. None of us can see the future.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by The Night King (U20644)
posted 2 minutes ago

We aint finishing top 4.
We might play a little better than last season but missing out on champions league again will hamper us again in the transfer market.

Both Arsenal and Spurs finished above us last season and have strengthened better than us. They will finish above us.
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They might have finished above us, but that was thanks to Jose. The table from when Ole took over shows that we finished above them both - Arsenal by 5 points and Spurs by 8 points. With a full preseason under their belts, the players should be better equipped to deal with Ole's tactics, rather than running out of steam as they did towards the end of last season.
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That's not how things work. You could argue Ole got the cliched "new manager bump" after which your form fell to pieces just when it looked like you had the teams above you in your sights. At a stage, it looked like you'd finish 3rd and Chelsea would finish 6th. The opposite happened. Your performance at Goodison under Ole was probably worse than anything I saw you play under Jose.

omment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 52 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by The Night King (U20644)
posted 2 minutes ago

We aint finishing top 4.
We might play a little better than last season but missing out on champions league again will hamper us again in the transfer market.

Both Arsenal and Spurs finished above us last season and have strengthened better than us. They will finish above us.
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They might have finished above us, but that was thanks to Jose. The table from when Ole took over shows that we finished above them both - Arsenal by 5 points and Spurs by 8 points. With a full preseason under their belts, the players should be better equipped to deal with Ole's tactics, rather than running out of steam as they did towards the end of last season.
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That's not how things work. You could argue Ole got the cliched "new manager bump" after which your form fell to pieces just when it looked like you had the teams above you in your sights. At a stage, it looked like you'd finish 3rd and Chelsea would finish 6th. The opposite happened. Your performance at Goodison under Ole was probably worse than anything I saw you play under Jose.
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First of all the new manager bump is a bit of a myth.

Secondly, that is how it works. You assess a manager's performance over the time that he was in charge - you don't include the period that he wasn't in charge. That would be stupid.

Thirdly, I don't think that it is unfair to suggest that a team that ran less than most in the PL under Jose, was not able to maintain performance levels playing a more energetic system under a new manager. Our players were not fit last season. It was a regular topic of conversation on our board last season. It seems that they have enjoyed a more thorough preseason in terms of fitness conditioning under Ole than under Jose, so there is a good chance that the squad will now be able to maintain performance levels under Ole, rather than running out of steam.

First of all the new manager bump is a bit of a myth.

Secondly, that is how it works. You assess a manager's performance over the time that he was in charge - you don't include the period that he wasn't in charge. That would be stupid.

Thirdly, I don't think that it is unfair to suggest that a team that ran less than most in the PL under Jose, was not able to maintain performance levels playing a more energetic system under a new manager. Our players were not fit last season. It was a regular topic of conversation on our board last season. It seems that they have enjoyed a more thorough preseason in terms of fitness conditioning under Ole than under Jose, so there is a good chance that the squad will now be able to maintain performance levels under Ole, rather than running out of steam.
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Nobody said you should judge Ole by periods when he wasn't in charge. That seems a deliberate misunderstanding of my point. And my point is that you even as you can't judge the manager by the time of his predecessor, you can't equally extrapolate over the course of a longer period, how he would have performed based on his shorter time in charge. Considering your horrid run of form in the season run-in, you might have been no worse off concluding the season under Mourinho.

All of it is of course a lot of conjecture and that is all I was pointing out: that the conjecture doesn't seem a reasonable one in the circumstances.

A lot of words without really making a point. The fact is that we finished 3rd in the table on points accrued after Ole joined. And that was with a team of players that weren't fit enough to play in his system for a sustained period of time.

The fact is that you qualified for the CL under Mourinho - who has also accomplished a hell of a lot in his career. How far back do you want to go to determine what you could have done under a manager, since your horrid run of form under the manager you're lauding is irrelevant to the fact he made a great start?

Relegation is a certainty
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it really isnt. Some of us can actually remember what that really feels like.

But mid table obscurity, could be.

Now as a Man United supporter, is that good enough?

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 15 hours, 8 minutes ago

The fact is that you qualified for the CL under Mourinho - who has also accomplished a hell of a lot in his career. How far back do you want to go to determine what you could have done under a manager, since your horrid run of form under the manager you're lauding is irrelevant to the fact he made a great start?
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WTF are you talking about? I haven't said that the bad finish to the season was irrelevant. Even with that bad run he still finished above Arsenal and Spurs in the period he was in charge. And that was with a team that wasn't fit enough and ran out of steam.

What Jose has done in previous seasons is completely irrelevant.

comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 14 hours, 54 minutes ago
Relegation is a certainty
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it really isnt. Some of us can actually remember what that really feels like.

But mid table obscurity, could be.

Now as a Man United supporter, is that good enough?
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Were you expecting a title challenge this season?