Black Scarf movement

comment by The One (U22189)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
Godfather keeps forgetting we lost our top 4 place under Wenger.
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Yes and therefore it was time for him to go in his last season. You morons were calling for his head for years when we were finishing second and third. How do you feel about that decision now? We are now a mid table team
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You are easily still the dumbest poster on this forum
Wenger stayed at least 7 years too long. His greed and demagoguery are a big part of the reason we are in this mess.

Wenger gone was the right decision. We were already in decline. Wenger was the right scapegoat who believe in the whole selfsustain philosophy that Kroenke given out. It can work like we see Leicester doing well with their budget. If Leicester can stay there every year is the question.

It's not all about money but it works when you want to be playing among the elite of Europe.

For me we need to get rid of the Yankee. Otherwise we will further behind.

comment by The One (U22189)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
Godfather keeps forgetting we lost our top 4 place under Wenger.
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Yes and therefore it was time for him to go in his last season. You morons were calling for his head for years when we were finishing second and third. How do you feel about that decision now? We are now a mid table team
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It’s because many of those fans wanted us to be better than top 4, partly due to the club telling us that what they wanted to push for. If we were a properly run club maybe we should have replaced wenger while we were still comfortable top 4, we could have replaced him with a top manager like Klopp back then.

Wenger did a pretty good job in the emirates era, but it became clear we were falling behind bit by bit and we needed a new direction and new ideas. If wenger were still here we’d probably be higher in the table but like 6th, which isn’t good enough. The clubs lack of organisation, leadership and Vision have caused this mess

comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
Godfather keeps forgetting we lost our top 4 place under Wenger.
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Yes and therefore it was time for him to go in his last season. You morons were calling for his head for years when we were finishing second and third. How do you feel about that decision now? We are now a mid table team
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You are easily still the dumbest poster on this forum
Wenger stayed at least 7 years too long. His greed and demagoguery are a big part of the reason we are in this mess.
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Surely if Wenger was so poor for finishing 2nd or 3rd and winning 3 trophies in his last 5 years then even an average manager would have turned us into title winners right?

Please tell me what part of our current situation is Wengers fault when even in his worst 50 games he performed far better than a manager who won trophies with PSG and Sevilla

True stupidity is regurgitating generic sound bites like you. True spinelessness is failing to admit you were wrong so you still try to blame Wenger alll this time later. What other teams fans fly a plane for their best ever manager calling for his head after finishing 2nd 😂

If there is such a thing as karma then what set of fans are more worthy of seeing their team completely and utterly decline into midtable mediocrity like we have. Booing own players, taking 77 banners to stadium to oust our most successful manager, flying planes with Wenger out, AFTV the list goes on

comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
Godfather keeps forgetting we lost our top 4 place under Wenger.
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Yes and therefore it was time for him to go in his last season. You morons were calling for his head for years when we were finishing second and third. How do you feel about that decision now? We are now a mid table team
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It’s because many of those fans wanted us to be better than top 4, partly due to the club telling us that what they wanted to push for. If we were a properly run club maybe we should have replaced wenger while we were still comfortable top 4, we could have replaced him with a top manager like Klopp back then.

Wenger did a pretty good job in the emirates era, but it became clear we were falling behind bit by bit and we needed a new direction and new ideas. If wenger were still here we’d probably be higher in the table but like 6th, which isn’t good enough. The clubs lack of organisation, leadership and Vision have caused this mess
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My argument through that time was that we should not over look what Wenger was achieving without matching the spending of the clubs above us. My argument was that unless we invested heavily in key areas we would never challenge for the title. Which part of what I said was wrong in hindsight?

The leader of the Black Scarfe movement was not wearing a black scarfe

comment by The One (U22189)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
Godfather keeps forgetting we lost our top 4 place under Wenger.
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Yes and therefore it was time for him to go in his last season. You morons were calling for his head for years when we were finishing second and third. How do you feel about that decision now? We are now a mid table team
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It’s because many of those fans wanted us to be better than top 4, partly due to the club telling us that what they wanted to push for. If we were a properly run club maybe we should have replaced wenger while we were still comfortable top 4, we could have replaced him with a top manager like Klopp back then.

Wenger did a pretty good job in the emirates era, but it became clear we were falling behind bit by bit and we needed a new direction and new ideas. If wenger were still here we’d probably be higher in the table but like 6th, which isn’t good enough. The clubs lack of organisation, leadership and Vision have caused this mess
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My argument through that time was that we should not over look what Wenger was achieving without matching the spending of the clubs above us. My argument was that unless we invested heavily in key areas we would never challenge for the title. Which part of what I said was wrong in hindsight?
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We did though. Just bought very poorly. Ozil, Alexis, Xhaka and Mustafi were all in the top 20 most expensive signings ever when they were signed. Cech was around 6th most expensive keeper when he was signed.
We were spending far more than many teams around us.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The One (U22189)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
Godfather keeps forgetting we lost our top 4 place under Wenger.
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Yes and therefore it was time for him to go in his last season. You morons were calling for his head for years when we were finishing second and third. How do you feel about that decision now? We are now a mid table team
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It’s because many of those fans wanted us to be better than top 4, partly due to the club telling us that what they wanted to push for. If we were a properly run club maybe we should have replaced wenger while we were still comfortable top 4, we could have replaced him with a top manager like Klopp back then.

Wenger did a pretty good job in the emirates era, but it became clear we were falling behind bit by bit and we needed a new direction and new ideas. If wenger were still here we’d probably be higher in the table but like 6th, which isn’t good enough. The clubs lack of organisation, leadership and Vision have caused this mess
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My argument through that time was that we should not over look what Wenger was achieving without matching the spending of the clubs above us. My argument was that unless we invested heavily in key areas we would never challenge for the title. Which part of what I said was wrong in hindsight?
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We did though. Just bought very poorly. Ozil, Alexis, Xhaka and Mustafi were all in the top 20 most expensive signings ever when they were signed. Cech was around 6th most expensive keeper when he was signed.
We were spending far more than many teams around us.
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There is no doubt we bought poorly but look at the volume of "world class" bracket players we bought vs City United and Liverpool. That being said Ozil Mustafi and xhaka were particularly poor signings in hindsight. Remember Wenger wanted Mbappe, that's the type of player we would go for if we had a board willing to spend

comment by The One (U22189)
posted 3 minutes ago
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There is no doubt we bought poorly but look at the volume of "world class" bracket players we bought vs City United and Liverpool. That being said Ozil Mustafi and xhaka were particularly poor signings in hindsight. Remember Wenger wanted Mbappe, that's the type of player we would go for if we had a board willing to spend
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Wenger did not want Mbappe because he was well outside our range. PSG had already agreed c£150m for him. He wanted Lemar who was valued at £90m but our bid was turned down.

Wenger often does this. He has missed out on C.Ronaldo, Trez, Suarez, Higuain, Benzema, Ibra etc. after they have worked out elsewhere but doesn't ever talk abt why he never closed the deals or of those he also wanted but have failed elsewhere.

The truth is its questionable whether Wenger alone was that astute on transfers. He certainly was formidable when he was partnered with David Dein. But without his counsel Wenger's successes were very few.

Have Liverpool bought many "world class" players? Coutinho was an £8m Inter flop, Suarez wasnt being touched by any top team when at Ajax. Mane was at Southampton, Salah was doing well at Roma bit not spoken about as being world class.

They were all players in the same, or less, price range we were spending in 2-5 years ago.
Granted, selling of them for 20 times the price they paid helped them buy VvD and Allison.