Bournemouth

Bournemouth have been in the bottom 5 for worst defences each season they've been up, even when they finished 9th. Howe seems incapable of managing them to defend well. His stock has fallen a lot, and I say that as someone who would have been happy for him to take over Poch about 3 seasons ago.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
Bournemouth have been in the bottom 5 for worst defences each season they've been up, even when they finished 9th. Howe seems incapable of managing them to defend well. His stock has fallen a lot, and I say that as someone who would have been happy for him to take over Poch about 3 seasons ago.
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Good post - he gets away with setting up his defence so poorly because of his style of football. Basically masks an awful lot

BS is correct on this perception that Bournemouth are a little club punching above their weight. They are a little club, but very well backed by their owners.

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if their net spend was higher than ours over the last few years. You could argue that we’ve sold a few for big money, but that just proves that we’ve recruited better. I have this feeling that Bournemouth haven’t recruited well.

Dyche has never spent money and has wheeled and dealed. He’s done a very good job at Burnley, but I have a feeling that this sort of management suits him. He’ll do well at underdog clubs trying to punch above their weight. He will, of course, be rejected by the fans of many clubs with delusions of grandeur. There are a lot of mid sized clubs who Dyche would take to the next level, He even managed to get Burnley into the Europa League.

Put Dyche at a huge club with money to spend, however, and it would surely be a disaster. His limited tactics would be wasted on better players and he wouldn’t last a season.

Good points joby. What I would like to see from both managers is how they would fare at another premier league club. Let’s see what Howe does with Palace for example and Dyche at a club like Southampton.....

I think until we see them tested in new environments with new challenges and resources at their disposal it’s difficult to know how good they could really be

comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 16 minutes ago
We'll see where Bournemouth are at the end of the season. So far Howe has done a fantastic job getting a tiny club from being at danger of dropping out of the football league when he initially took over to being sustained in the Premier League, I don't see anything to criticise there at all. At least not yet.

Ditto Dyche, he's done a fantastic job at Burnley.

Both achieved this on limited resources, but I'd agree that Howe would seem to have more potential to do well at a 'bigger' club.

Unfortunately for them, they are both English and therefore deemed to be useless and not worth considering as possible candidates to manage 'big' clubs with top six aspirations.


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Howe does not have limited resources like Dyche does. To compare both clubs in that way is just incorrect. Bournemouth are a much richer club than Burnley and Howe has had much more quality at his disposal than Dyche has ever had. That’s not even debatable

Being English gives them the advantage of being hyped way beyond belief and touted as future England managers within their first 2 seasons. Both managers have been ludricously praised beyond belief - Dyche at one point tipped for Everton and Howe for Arsenal and Spurs
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I am going to debate your statement about Bournemouth being a much richer club than Burnley since you've brought it up. Based on the 2017-18 club accounts (as reported last year by the Guardian):
- Bournemouth:
Turnover £135M
Wages £102M
Loss £11M
- Burnley:
Turnover £139M
Wages £82M
Profit £45M
So I suspect that Bournemouth having better players than Burnley is down to choice of what to do with the cash rather than lack of it. Burnley are just being more prudent - they actually had a slightly bigger turnover than Bournemouth in 2017/18.

In any event, my comment about limited resources was intended to be relative to the bigger clubs rather than between the two. The 'big' six varying between £381M (Spurs) and £500M (Man U) turnover.

Of course being in the Premier League means that Bournemouth/Burnley automatically have much greater resources than Football League clubs eg just picking one at random Forest had £22.7M revenue in 2018.

comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 20 minutes ago
Good points joby. What I would like to see from both managers is how they would fare at another premier league club. Let’s see what Howe does with Palace for example and Dyche at a club like Southampton.....

I think until we see them tested in new environments with new challenges and resources at their disposal it’s difficult to know how good they could really be
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Joby - how do you know that Dyche has limited tactics, he might be fine at a club with more resources, maybe just tailoring his current tactics to suit the squad at his disposal?

Going back to English managers, the point here is that you'll never see them tested because they don't usually get the chance (Frank being the exception but that isn't because he's a proven great manager). Why is this, it's not as if clubs have always picked the Mourinhos/Ancellottis etc of this world ie those with great track records of winning things?

Ok first point. Net spend table:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.givemesport.com/1495995-the-premier-league-table-based-on-net-spend-since-the-summer-of-2015%3famp

2nd point. Dyche has been at Burnley long enough to build a squad in his image. If he plays a style to suit his players’ strengths then it’s precisely because they are the players that he has recruited. It’s up and at em and long balls.

Nobody can be sure what people would do with the right opportunity, but I just can’t see Dyche playing the style of Guardiola or utilising the very best talent in a stylish way that is appropriate to their skill. I believe he could improve any lower end club, or mid table club, but I really can’t see him extending that at the very top level.

But ..... who knows?

comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 16 minutes ago
We'll see where Bournemouth are at the end of the season. So far Howe has done a fantastic job getting a tiny club from being at danger of dropping out of the football league when he initially took over to being sustained in the Premier League, I don't see anything to criticise there at all. At least not yet.

Ditto Dyche, he's done a fantastic job at Burnley.

Both achieved this on limited resources, but I'd agree that Howe would seem to have more potential to do well at a 'bigger' club.

Unfortunately for them, they are both English and therefore deemed to be useless and not worth considering as possible candidates to manage 'big' clubs with top six aspirations.


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Howe does not have limited resources like Dyche does. To compare both clubs in that way is just incorrect. Bournemouth are a much richer club than Burnley and Howe has had much more quality at his disposal than Dyche has ever had. That’s not even debatable

Being English gives them the advantage of being hyped way beyond belief and touted as future England managers within their first 2 seasons. Both managers have been ludricously praised beyond belief - Dyche at one point tipped for Everton and Howe for Arsenal and Spurs
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I am going to debate your statement about Bournemouth being a much richer club than Burnley since you've brought it up. Based on the 2017-18 club accounts (as reported last year by the Guardian):
- Bournemouth:
Turnover £135M
Wages £102M
Loss £11M
- Burnley:
Turnover £139M
Wages £82M
Profit £45M
So I suspect that Bournemouth having better players than Burnley is down to choice of what to do with the cash rather than lack of it. Burnley are just being more prudent - they actually had a slightly bigger turnover than Bournemouth in 2017/18.

In any event, my comment about limited resources was intended to be relative to the bigger clubs rather than between the two. The 'big' six varying between £381M (Spurs) and £500M (Man U) turnover.

Of course being in the Premier League means that Bournemouth/Burnley automatically have much greater resources than Football League clubs eg just picking one at random Forest had £22.7M revenue in 2018.


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The published turnover of a football club is not going to tell you how much money their owners have is it? It’s simply the amount they turnover from match day revenue and commercial sponsorship and merchandise.

I've warmed to Ol' Gravel Throat over the years. I didn't think he was up to that much all those years ago when we were competing against Burnley for the Championship title, but his record since is one of continued (relative) success. I reckon Burnley, like Bournemouth, are now in the unenviable position of not wanting to move on to someone else because it would likely end in a downturn, while also probably being aware that the longer he stays the more likely they are to turn stale and head for a downturn anyway.

As and when he does leave Burnley, I can see him being an attractive proposition for a struggling PL team that needs someone to keep them up. I don't know whether Eddie Howe would be seen the same way, although he would likely be a very attractive proposition for a relatively large club looking to build their way out of the Championship.

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 9 minutes ago
Ok first point. Net spend table:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.givemesport.com/1495995-the-premier-league-table-based-on-net-spend-since-the-summer-of-2015%3famp

2nd point. Dyche has been at Burnley long enough to build a squad in his image. If he plays a style to suit his players’ strengths then it’s precisely because they are the players that he has recruited. It’s up and at em and long balls.

Nobody can be sure what people would do with the right opportunity, but I just can’t see Dyche playing the style of Guardiola or utilising the very best talent in a stylish way that is appropriate to their skill. I believe he could improve any lower end club, or mid table club, but I really can’t see him extending that at the very top level.

But ..... who knows?
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Excellent post, completely agree