Evening all.
Sorry to bang the VAR drum again, I know everyone is fed up of it. I'm not here to make a case for or against, just to ask a question.
It would appear that, in the main, VAR is being used where decisions are black and white, e.g. with offsides, even to the extent of a toe or armpit. Now that can be argued whether it is 'in the spirit of the game' or what the offside rule was invented for, but at least we can all actually see why the decision has been made.
My question is this: how long after a goal is scored is any potential offside considered to be effective in that goal?
For example, Villa's disallowed goal at Burnley the other day. Wesley was offside when he went for the ball, sure it was millimetres, but he was offside. But the ball actually went backwards as he didn't win the header, Villa restarted the move having retrieved the ball and scored. So did Wesley being offside really effect anything?
What if Son played a ball down the channel to Kane (who was millimetres offside but the linesman doesn't flag), Kane is forced into the corner by a defender and has to play it back to Winks, who then goes back to Toby, who then goes back to the keeper. We then pass it around the back for a while before moving the ball up field and scoring. Is that offside, because Kane was about 2 minutes ago? Would it depend on whether the opposition had any touches of the ball in the meantime? What if our goal deflected in, touching a defender, would that be the difference between the offside being given or not?
Rambling a little now but unless I've missed some legislation on this, it's just too subjective to enforce, surely?
Admins, multiboard if possible.
VAR - Genuine Question
posted on 4/1/20
The field referee should be in total control of the game at all times. If he does not refer to VAR then so be it.
He can be advised that VAR has some result or the other, but if he wants to ignore it, he can.
Otherwise this VAR crap will, and in fact is, getting out of hand, holding up the flow of the game, and leading to idiotic senseless decisions where some irrelevant foul leads to a play elsewhere being called back.
This PSG game seems to be a point in favor of taking power back from VAR and handing it to the field referee.
Indeed, those viewing VAR can also make mistakes. VAR is not infallible because human viewers are in the loop.
I would be in favor of limiting the use of VAR to goal line decisions and penalty decisions. A field referee always has the option of referring to VAR if he wishes, but he does not have to.
posted on 4/1/20
I thought VAR use would simply be another referee having the same angles as those who watch from home on their TV.
Basically replays of an incident or offside and taking judgement from it. But UK has to go against the grain and take it another step by going into the mm details that really nobody wants.
We don't do that same for when the ball left the assisters foot either for 100% accuracy. Just silly now giving it for such fine margins when its not guaranteed to be correct anyway.
posted on 4/1/20
I think we need to just live with VAR and its current format this season. It aint going away. All of the marginal decisions will go in favour of the defenders. A change of rule is needed for next season, when it has to be clear daylight between defender and attacker, that would finalise it once and for all.
posted on 4/1/20
Sorry, but Harry Kane was definitely offside!
posted on 4/1/20
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
Sorry, but Harry Kane was definitely offside!
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Totally and utterly irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.
I dont care if Gazzaniga was offside!
Get lost if you can't contribute relevantly.
posted on 4/1/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 day ago
“So did Wesley being offside really effect anything?”
Ultimately, that’s the key question they should be asking for every scenario and the implementation of VAR in general. Other countries haven’t gone to the lengths of zooming in to check lines as their reasoning is that if an offside can’t be seen quickly on a replay or within a certain time frame, then it can’t really be blamed for effecting anything. The root cause of the goal in those cases is more either good attacking or poor defending, rather than the attacker gaining a pivotal advantage from it.
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Did the Wolves player's handball effect anything? It was going in anyway. Yet no outrage. The rules says you can't do it, just like they say you can't be offside. This isn't a VAR issue but a law issue, if an issue at all.
posted on 4/1/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 18 hours ago
The field referee should be in total control of the game at all times. If he does not refer to VAR then so be it.
He can be advised that VAR has some result or the other, but if he wants to ignore it, he can.
Otherwise this VAR crap will, and in fact is, getting out of hand, holding up the flow of the game, and leading to idiotic senseless decisions where some irrelevant foul leads to a play elsewhere being called back.
This PSG game seems to be a point in favor of taking power back from VAR and handing it to the field referee.
Indeed, those viewing VAR can also make mistakes. VAR is not infallible because human viewers are in the loop.
I would be in favor of limiting the use of VAR to goal line decisions and penalty decisions. A field referee always has the option of referring to VAR if he wishes, but he does not have to.
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Once again the referee is in total control. If the VAR believes he has made an error, they highlight it. He then makes his decision. He should be able to check the monitor however.
posted on 5/1/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
Sorry, but Harry Kane was definitely offside!
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Totally and utterly irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.
I dont care if Gazzaniga was offside!
Get lost if you can't contribute relevantly.
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Just,
You have as much self-control as Jose! Pressure seems to be getting to you, you cretin!
posted on 5/1/20
TOOR it was most likely not going in as keeper would have saved it but for deflection off arm. Hard to tell. Need to see it again as I haven’t seen it since match was live with replay.
posted on 5/1/20
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
TOOR it was most likely not going in as keeper would have saved it but for deflection off arm. Hard to tell. Need to see it again as I haven’t seen it since match was live with replay.
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Absolute nonsense. It was a header from point blank ffs.