VAR Petition

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 32 seconds ago
I don't think it needs removing. It does need improving a hell of a lot though. They definitely need to look at the offside rule and interpretation and the stupid handball rule.

At the moment I am struggling to think of a time when I have been glad its in place. Its current usage makes me wonder whether I can be bothered to watch football anymore.
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One thing i think could help for the handball is the introduction of an indirect free-kick in the box for unintentional handball. Its not fair that a team is punished with a virtually guaranteed goal (pen) for what is accidental hand ball, but equally not fair that a team is denied the chance to build a goal scoring opportunity from a opponents accidental handball in the box - indirect (or direct?) freekick in the box might help this.
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Or just go back the previous handball rule, which was perfectly fine.
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How is it fine?! One team is going to lose out - either the attacking team losing the attack through no fault of their own or the defending team conceding a pen accidentally!

comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 32 seconds ago
I don't think it needs removing. It does need improving a hell of a lot though. They definitely need to look at the offside rule and interpretation and the stupid handball rule.

At the moment I am struggling to think of a time when I have been glad its in place. Its current usage makes me wonder whether I can be bothered to watch football anymore.
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One thing i think could help for the handball is the introduction of an indirect free-kick in the box for unintentional handball. Its not fair that a team is punished with a virtually guaranteed goal (pen) for what is accidental hand ball, but equally not fair that a team is denied the chance to build a goal scoring opportunity from a opponents accidental handball in the box - indirect (or direct?) freekick in the box might help this.
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Or just go back the previous handball rule, which was perfectly fine.
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How is it fine?! One team is going to lose out - either the attacking team losing the attack through no fault of their own or the defending team conceding a pen accidentally!
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How would that happen under the previous handball rule?

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 32 seconds ago
I don't think it needs removing. It does need improving a hell of a lot though. They definitely need to look at the offside rule and interpretation and the stupid handball rule.

At the moment I am struggling to think of a time when I have been glad its in place. Its current usage makes me wonder whether I can be bothered to watch football anymore.
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One thing i think could help for the handball is the introduction of an indirect free-kick in the box for unintentional handball. Its not fair that a team is punished with a virtually guaranteed goal (pen) for what is accidental hand ball, but equally not fair that a team is denied the chance to build a goal scoring opportunity from a opponents accidental handball in the box - indirect (or direct?) freekick in the box might help this.
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Or just go back the previous handball rule, which was perfectly fine.
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How is it fine?! One team is going to lose out - either the attacking team losing the attack through no fault of their own or the defending team conceding a pen accidentally!
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How would that happen under the previous handball rule?
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The previous rule says its either hand ball - penalty (harsh on defending team) or accidental and nothing (harsh on attacking team). With an indirect free kick - neither gain or lose detrimentally instantly to the other

comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 46 seconds ago

The previous rule says its either hand ball - penalty (harsh on defending team) or accidental and nothing (harsh on attacking team). With an indirect free kick - neither gain or lose detrimentally instantly to the other
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I have no idea what you are jabbering on about. I think you must be trying to WUM in a nonsensical way.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 46 seconds ago

The previous rule says its either hand ball - penalty (harsh on defending team) or accidental and nothing (harsh on attacking team). With an indirect free kick - neither gain or lose detrimentally instantly to the other
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I have no idea what you are jabbering on about. I think you must be trying to WUM in a nonsensical way.
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Not sure what’s confusing you!!! If the attacking team crosses the ball and it accidentally strikes a players hand in the box, what do you think should happen???
Option a) penalty
Option b) nothing

A - harsh on defending team as it’s unintentional
B - harsh on attacking team as cross was stopped by hand

It’s not difficult to understand surely?!!

comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 46 seconds ago

The previous rule says its either hand ball - penalty (harsh on defending team) or accidental and nothing (harsh on attacking team). With an indirect free kick - neither gain or lose detrimentally instantly to the other
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I have no idea what you are jabbering on about. I think you must be trying to WUM in a nonsensical way.
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Not sure what’s confusing you!!! If the attacking team crosses the ball and it accidentally strikes a players hand in the box, what do you think should happen???
Option a) penalty
Option b) nothing

A - harsh on defending team as it’s unintentional
B - harsh on attacking team as cross was stopped by hand

It’s not difficult to understand surely?!!
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So you don't like anything about any handball rule? What is your suggestion? Scrap it completely?

If the hand is in a position by the body, it isn't harsh if hand ball or a penalty isn't awarded. If the hand is out away from the body then it isn't harsh if a penalty is given.

That was the previous handball rule. The rule where any contact with a hand or arm in the build up to a goal causes it to be disallowed is a ridiculous stance.

Agree with you Tamwolf apart from this bit:

"If the hand is out away from the body then it isn't harsh if a penalty is given."

Arms don't stay by your side when you're playing football.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
Agree with you Tamwolf apart from this bit:

"If the hand is out away from the body then it isn't harsh if a penalty is given."

Arms don't stay by your side when you're playing football.
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Depends on what is meant by away from the body. If in a running motion or motion to maintain balance and there isn't time to get out of the way then fair enough. If it is above shoulder height, trailing behind you or in an unnatural position for what you are doing; then it is handball. You have altered your natural position to make yourself bigger.

Handball is always going to be subjective though. To try and take subjectivity away from that decision is quite ridiculous in my opinion. To only do it in one scenario on the pitch is even more stupid. VAR needs to have the referees on the pitch watching the footage it my opinion, on all matters. they need to take away these stupid lines on offsides too and start giving the benefit of the doubt to attackers.

Tamwolf (U17286)

The worst thing they ever did was introduce the term 'unnatural position'.

Basically, any position is natural if it's part of your normal movement and it ceases to become natural if you've consciously placed it somewhere with the intention of affecting the ball.

Common sense has long gone.

Where did I say I’d scrap it?!! It’s the accidental hand ball in the box that i’d change!!

Wilson
That’s my point - the term ‘deliberate’ is the important factor. if not deliberate but the attacking team still loses their attacking move, an indirect free kick in the box resets the situation to a certain extent.