when you look at United, City, Pool & Chelsea and try play crystal ball with their next five years, who do you think is most set up for success?
Liverpool
a lethal front line approaching their 30s and limited if any quality behind them.
the whole first choice back 5 should still be at their peak in 5 years.
midfield? Wijnaldum about to hit 30, Henderson 30, Milner like 47, Fabinho will still be around and serious question marks around Keita.
Klopp says he wants 3 more seasons then he's out, I can see an absolute mess when he goes, if the 6 first team player issues aren't addressed along with 3-4 players to improve squad depth.
given the abandonment of signing Werner despite coach and player seemingly wanting it and choosing to furlough staff before the backlash makes you question how much money pool really have because they've basically got a whole midfield and attack to replace in 1-2 seasons, and add depth.
Klopp legacy could be what a sorry state he leaves them in.
City
well money won't be an issue.
the CL issue could be their major problem along with the futures of Pep and KDB. Foden looks quality so the loss of silva won't be felt too badly.
Defense age isn't the issue but quality is. adding a decent full back and CB would fix that, also have a number of players approaching 30s but not as heavily stacked as pool are so can probably cycle through them over next 1-2 years and make it work.
fundamentally if pep goes they could go back to the hit and miss years. Oh and where do you find someone as lethal as augury who is as consistent?
Chelsea
bizarrely looking one of the strongest developing squads, young promising coach, young squad, splashing money around on exciting talent.
keeper maybe needs an upgrade but age on his side, defense needs a slight refresh but midfield and attack is very young and promising.
provided roman doesn't keep falling out with the UK and he can get his stadium to keep him pumping cash in they could return to their early 00's kind of standing
United
Young free flowing forward line, need more depth behind those 3 though, how you go out and hire experience to play behind kids is going to be difficult and if you just hire more kids to play behind kids then consistency is going to be tough.
Need a quality DM if Mct and Fred cant kick on, Matic cant keep going for 5 years. Pogba if he is kept happy and if Fernandes isn't a false dawn are very exciting but there's a working lack of depth but that can be added to window to window.
Gk is an issue as DDG is starting to show signs of wear, if Henderson can prove what he's done at SU at OT then he could be a quick fix, shaw Williams and AWB are young enough to maintain places and Maguire needs a quality addition.
if results keep going well Ole will be backed and again money has never been an issue.
Its rose tinted glasses but I do feel like the young teams at Chelsea and united could overtake Liverpool and city over next couple of years when you consider serious fiscal and aging issues at Liverpool and CL bans and Pep future at city
all conjecture of course but I think they're all valid points
The next 5 years, MU, MC, LP, Che
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I don't think Walker and Mendy are good enough. Mendy more so than Walker, although even he has always had his flaws. Plus Man City can't just focus on their defence, they need to keep the other end of their team fresh and not let that stagnate. On top of that there's no guarantee Foden can replace Silva and Aguero is getting old. Now is the time for them to rebuild and Liverpool are a team that's in its prime now. It won't be easy for Man City to challenge Liverpool considering this.
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The logic is that if you compare Man City's defence to Liverpool's, or Bayern Munich's, or Juventus' or any other excellent team, you'll see that they fall short. That's why they need new players in that area.
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comment by (U22417)
posted 7 seconds ago
I don't think Walker and Mendy are good enough. Mendy more so than Walker, although even he has always had his flaws. Plus Man City can't just focus on their defence, they need to keep the other end of their team fresh and not let that stagnate. On top of that there's no guarantee Foden can replace Silva and Aguero is getting old. Now is the time for them to rebuild and Liverpool are a team that's in its prime now. It won't be easy for Man City to challenge Liverpool considering this.
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They already have one established ready made replacement for David Silva in Bernardo Silva and then Foden, who looks a top player already. At some point they then need to find a replacement for Aguero, yes but that isn't now. They have quality midfielders and wide players and a good mixture of youth and experience.
Guardiola himself has stated he is confused what has went wrong and it is a mystery for a lot of people. For me it was likely a number of factors but the main one was disrupting both the midfield and the defence at the same time by moving Fernandinho out and bringing in a lesser quality to cover the defence in Rodri. They haven't had problems scoring goals.
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comment by (U22417)
posted 2 minutes ago
The logic is that if you compare Man City's defence to Liverpool's, or Bayern Munich's, or Juventus' or any other excellent team, you'll see that they fall short. That's why they need new players in that area.
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They won the PL with over 100 points with that defence plus a 35 year old Kompany.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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comment by (U22417)
posted 7 seconds ago
I don't think Walker and Mendy are good enough. Mendy more so than Walker, although even he has always had his flaws. Plus Man City can't just focus on their defence, they need to keep the other end of their team fresh and not let that stagnate. On top of that there's no guarantee Foden can replace Silva and Aguero is getting old. Now is the time for them to rebuild and Liverpool are a team that's in its prime now. It won't be easy for Man City to challenge Liverpool considering this.
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They already have one established ready made replacement for David Silva in Bernardo Silva and then Foden, who looks a top player already. At some point they then need to find a replacement for Aguero, yes but that isn't now. They have quality midfielders and wide players and a good mixture of youth and experience.
Guardiola himself has stated he is confused what has went wrong and it is a mystery for a lot of people. For me it was likely a number of factors but the main one was disrupting both the midfield and the defence at the same time by moving Fernandinho out and bringing in a lesser quality to cover the defence in Rodri. They haven't had problems scoring goals.
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I think this was their issue this season definitely
posted on 6/7/20
City have been punished heavily for individual mistakes this season, like more than average.
I'm not sure if they're making more mistakes than average and cba to check fully but that's how it seems.
The goal yesterday is a great example. That lad hadnt scored in over a year and he goes and whips in a first time 35 yard lob
posted on 6/7/20
5 years? Nobody has the foggiest idea.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 6 hours, 27 minutes ago
I'm not a Liverpool fan.
Every club will take the same hit proportionally, but Liverpool's success over the past couple of seasons means their exposure has skyrocketed. This past couple of years firmly in the footballing spotlight means they'll be printing money for a few years to come. Their revenues will be moving closer and closer to United's and City's over the next few years. (Not to mention that City will be finding it harder and harder to keep pulling barely-believable sponsorship deals out of the bag.)
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even when they were dog poo they had massive exposure. thats what makes them a "big club"
they are not the same as a city or Chelsea during the early roman years.
they signed a kit deal which gives them a great chance to pull in good money but again its potential and needs an accounting year to be fully amortized and recognized.
they went out early in the cl and obviously don't get an invite to the WCC, you get about 1m for winning the pl as opposed to coming second thanks to our collective bargaining thing.
lack of match day revenues at one of the largest and busiest stadia will hurt them.
im just struggling to fathom how next season will be a huge spurt in revenue as next season will be based on what they earned this season.
next season they will get the base of the kit deal only, no WCC money so where is this rocket??
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You miss the point when you talk about outright revenues. They're relative to what other clubs rake in. Liverpool are going to take the same kind of hit that all the other major clubs will in terms of gate receipts. These and prize money are only two of a club's revenue streams, but the big clubs nowadays take huge amounts from commercial operations. Two CL finals, the PL title and the race to the post last year mean that Liverpool have been bang in the spotlight for three seasons running. This always has a deferred effect in terms of global following and, consequently, allure for sponsors.
The longer you go without major successes, the harder it becomes to keep attracting the kind of following you do when you're winning. Liverpool have entered a virtuous cycle of results that will have the opposite effect. Half a decade down the road they will still be reaping the rewards of this current phase of success.