BARNSLEY v FOREST - Match Thread

comment by Igor la cloche de plongée et le papillion (U22200)
posted about a minute ago
Funny old game.
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Yeah hilarious

You say the same every year though Rev? Not just you of course, plenty of others have that opinion and it’s fair enough. But it can’t be that easy to walk the league? As we get nowhere near it. If we got warnock we might do better but no chance we walk the league.

But I don’t agree our investment means we should be walking the league at all. It doesn’t compare to teams like Fulham, Leeds and WBA. We have no chance of finishing above them. We are never in the hunt for the big players. We are feeding on the scraps or the untried foreigners. Next year will be even harder with the teams coming down.

Touching.

You keep having a little belly tickle laughing that the Super Rams ACTUALLY finished below you for once.

I'm not sure you'd get 10pts next season.

Probably draws if you manage it.

Imagine those scenes.

Are you really that desperate for someone to take another one of your records, ain’t going to happen. 😁

Barnsley had to win. They nearly beat Leeds and will no doubt now beat Brentford.

Forest didn’t have to win. They’d have liked to have won...hence why we tried something new with the 9 CB approach highlighted above.

Missing Samba, Cash and Lolley didn’t help either.

It’s not the end of the world. Losing to
Stoke and losing out on GD is.

Lamouchi got us here with his signings making the difference. Samba, Ribeiro and Sow. Whilst, proving us all wrong on Watson and making Cash a RB. Oh...and we’re 5th. Not bad imo for a first season.

We have no idea who we’ll play if we finish 5th or 6th, outside of one of Brentford, Fulham or WBA. So, as long as we finish in a play off spot then I don’t care if Barnsley now stay up.

Is it attitude though, or tactics, your injury time heartbreak?

You're an reactive, anti football unit similar to Moo and Karanka. Opposition managers are wary of your counter, so usually leave a man back when attacking. Which makes for a stalemate of a game until either team makes a mistake or both managers are happy to settle for a draw.

The last 5 plus injury time, if chasing a win or a point, managers sacrifice defensive caution for an attacking option. Thus you have an extra man to mark, its easier to create overloads and get more men in the box. Not sure if it's attitude but more mathematics.

Judging by your position Lambrusco has got you more points than you've lost by setting up this way. Looking at your home record too, it might hint that you aren't that good at playing creatively.

It's boring, suffocating and stultifying football but it is quite effective. What would you prefer a team that plays exciting, attacking football but takes several years to build or a well coached, built-in-a-pre-season 'parasite' team living off the spaces created by teams willing to have a go?

I think your owner has opted for the latter.

comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Is it attitude though, or tactics, your injury time heartbreak?

You're an reactive, anti football unit similar to Moo and Karanka. Opposition managers are wary of your counter, so usually leave a man back when attacking. Which makes for a stalemate of a game until either team makes a mistake or both managers are happy to settle for a draw.

The last 5 plus injury time, if chasing a win or a point, managers sacrifice defensive caution for an attacking option. Thus you have an extra man to mark, its easier to create overloads and get more men in the box. Not sure if it's attitude but more mathematics.

Judging by your position Lambrusco has got you more points than you've lost by setting up this way. Looking at your home record too, it might hint that you aren't that good at playing creatively.

It's boring, suffocating and stultifying football but it is quite effective. What would you prefer a team that plays exciting, attacking football but takes several years to build or a well coached, built-in-a-pre-season 'parasite' team living off the spaces created by teams willing to have a go?

I think your owner has opted for the latter.
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In one season I don't think you have much choice.

Just as the team gets slightly used to playing better together, you manage to secure a play-off spot.

Do you play attacking football such as Brentfoird, which as you say, is built up over years. Or, do you play to your strengths....however boring that might appear.

I'd expect any team with a manager in place for less than a year, 20-25 arrivals / departures and no parachute payments to do the same.

It may not be pretty, but we'll see how effective it is when it counts.

comment by TrevorFrancisruinedmylife (U22426)
posted 9 hours, 23 minutes ago
Sabri Lamouchi. A lovely fellow, but you can only merdemaison your way across the Championship so far.

To start, after 20 unending years of abject failure, all that matters is ending this misery. If Lamouchi can get this squad promoted playing 9 CBs and Grabban with a single goal attempt per game, I'll personally stuff the beautiful game in a sack and gleefully drown it in the Trent.

Having been removed from the UK at an early age, have always been impressed by completely unfounded, evidence denying, English optimism, inevitably followed by immediate implosion. Like this season. By all objective standards, and as a spectacle, Forest's football this season has been dire - football by strangulation - redeemed only by Grabban's goal conjuring out of nothing.

Lamouchi. Lovely fellow. But like Karanka, a disciple of Mourinho whose prime objective is not to concede, and to hope for the best after that. That ship has sailed and sunk, and the game has moved on. Even if Forest find a way to get promoted, with Lamouchi's footballing philosophy they are going to get killed, even if they improve the squad. That said, would still rather spend a year being crushed by Mid East oil money than toiling for a 22nd year in obscurity.

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Good post Trevor although I don't agree with your assessment. I think Sabri's first season is more comparable to Dougie Freeman's time. DF tried to play an expansive game but found out he didn't have the players to do that. He then successfully made us 'hard to beat' We all know we have little creative flair, and even less goal scoring capability. Sabri has made the right choice in taking a view that if we restrict the other team to scoring 1 or not at all we have a chance to get something from a game.

I've always though a manager needs a minimum of three windows to put his squad together. Sabri has had a rushed summer window; and a poor January window. His recruitment in the next window is crucial and I think we should not judge him before next Jan at the earliest.

And I think we will still be in the Championship next season regardless of how things pan out on Wednesday. That said I think three quality signings will be enough to turn is from a possible play off contender to automatic promotion contender. A Campbell, or Harewood alongside Grabban would make a big difference.

How did this work out for you?

#humblepie

You are worse than that Black Star gimp who plagued our board for an entire season.