Handball Rule

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 46 seconds ago
TOOR, that last sentence makes you sound like a bit of an idiot FYI.
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I'm not the one cunfused about the law and how it's applied. Figure that one out.
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Nor is anyone else on this thread.

Although you’re never confused about anything - you always think you are 100% right, which is why you sound so ridiculous.
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You seem to be.
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Post one comment from this thread that suggests I’m confused.

Good luck with that.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
Football really has reinvented what the word ‘unnatural’ means.

What a joke.
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Except it’s not, it’s spot on.

What the law now says is that you define ‘unnatural’ from its position, not whether you believe the arm was placed there as part of a natural movement.

Of course, you can’t admit you’re wrong so you won’t accept this.
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Exactly, there is guidance on what it means in relation to handball in football, like there was with 'deliberate'. They don't use the actual literal definitions of the word, which should be self explanatory, as there would barely be any handballs given if they did.

So that's where you're confused.

Never said they do use the literal definitions, TOOR.

But you’re wrong to compare it to ‘deliberate’. That was still literally the case.

If I place my arm out at a right angle with the intention of giving myself a better chance of stopping the ball, I’ve deliberately used my arm to affect the ball.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

My favourite thing about you and the law is that when something happens that you can’t explain, you out it down to an error or corruption. Even with VAR, which you proudly tell us will rid the game of errors.

The Firmino offside, the Lindelof handball... it can’t be that you don’t understand something. It can’t be that you should take the time to widen your knowledge, and perhaps show some humility to admit you don’t actually know as much as you think you do.

No, someone else is at fault. Couldn’t possibly be you.

It’s genuinely funny.

And before you try to throw that back at me, in a recent discussion about this I was the one on the thread openly saying that I only have my understanding and am open to being proven wrong based on guidance given to officials... guidance that none of us have seen.

You sound ridiculous TOOR, because as always you just find a set of what seem to be logical steps that enable you to believe you’re 100% right.

Which is also why you never admit to being wrong or to the fact that you may not know everything there is to know about a certain subject.

I won’t be wasting anymore time on you with this thread, because it’s pointless. As usual, it’s been a good laugh though.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by I want to stuff this 8===D as far as it will go an squeal like a pig (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
Doesn’t matter what you’re trying to do, it’s all about whether it’s a natural position, which that one was deemed as.
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Wrong, you’re allowed to handball it accidentally when making genuine attempt to control the ball
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That isn’t counter to what I said at all.

Toor, he said that about a specific incident where it was a block. It’s still the same principle. If I go to head a ball and I’ve put my arm in a position that isn’t natural to the movement I’m doing and then handle it, it’s a handball.
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Nope. If it's unintentional, which many of these blocks are, it won't be given because it's not blocking a shot or cross, whereas it will when blocking a shot or cross, when making the body bigger. When people understand this, then they won't be so confused about the handball law.
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There is an irony in that as you clearly are still struggling with it!

Read what Rossini said again. He references “and the player is trying to spread his body”.

What they have done this year is essentially not even think of if he was trying to or not, just deciding on whether the silhouette is bigger.

His interpretation is still valid across any handball though. If it’s deemed the player is trying to make the silhouette bigger (rather than it being a natural
movement) then it’s a handball.

Well then you both can go on being confused about the decisions. I've tried. I'll leave you to it.

I’m not confused about any of them, they’ve all been valid. Just not in the particular one I was talking about for the reason you think.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m not confused about any of them, they’ve all been valid. Just not in the particular one I was talking about for the reason you think.
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So you think a penalty should be given for a player trying to head the ball and missing it, with it catching his arm? The silhouette thing is about making yourself bigger and blocking a shot or cross not when playing, controlling the ball etc. It's as simple as that as far as I can tell. Although I'll look out for further examples as the season goes on, which may prove me incorrect.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m not confused about any of them, they’ve all been valid. Just not in the particular one I was talking about for the reason you think.
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So you think a penalty should be given for a player trying to head the ball and missing it, with it catching his arm? The silhouette thing is about making yourself bigger and blocking a shot or cross not when playing, controlling the ball etc. It's as simple as that as far as I can tell. Although I'll look out for further examples as the season goes on, which may prove me incorrect.
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It depends where his arm is in position to the movement he was doing at the time, like it always has been. If they’ve put it in an unnatural position (normally so that it hits it in case they miss the header) then of course it’s still handball. If they haven’t and it just hits the arm and it’s in a natural position to the movement they’re making at the time then it isn’t.

It’s the exact same underlying issue regardless of the context.

Well yes, of course. But we're talking about the new law in regards to making yourself bigger. It obviously doesn't apply in that instance as he's tried to head the ball, missed it and it has caught his arm.

Whether he’s tried to head the ball or not is irrelevant if he has put his arm in an unnatural position, that’s the point. In this instance he was judged he hadn’t.