I'm going to write this before the match tonight so am not accused of being reactionary.
Let me start by saying that I really want Ole to succeed. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing a former playing legend leading us to success. Don't get me wrong I think he has done some things very well and I think, if he does leave, he'll leave behind a talented and young squad for his successor.
My issue at the moment though is whether he's getting the very best out of the squad he has? I don't think he is and that's why you may have noticed (or may not have!) my inconsistent views on him. Sometimes I think we can do great things and sometimes I despair. I'm as inconsistent as the team really at present in that respect. I know we had a good run towards the end of last season but that was down to sticking with the same team pretty much the whole time. That won't do this time and we'll have to rotate.
I'm not here to offer solutions, and I'd be delighted to have this thrown back in my face at the end of the season, but I do think we should be doing better at the moment and be a little more consistent with our performances. Defeats I can take but only if they come after we've given it a good go and left everything out there.
I'll never call for Ole to go but I will always retain the right to ask if he is actually good enough. My gut feeling is that he just isn't quite there. I'm hoping against hope I'm wrong though.
Ole
posted on 4/11/20
Diafol, I’ve no doubt that’s the case. And it shows how poorly run we are. That we are poorly run at the top is an inhibiting factor for the managers we’ve had. However, that’s often been used as an argument for giving the managers more time than they actually should have been given. The very fact these managers were even given the job in the first place, let alone left in the job for as long as they have been, is just another example of their incompetence where footballing strategy is concerned.
Unfortunately this problem will likely persist for whoever manages the club. But there’s a point that Rob makes that rings true, until we find someone capable of managing the club, despite these inhibiting factors, we have to keep rolling the dice.
posted on 4/11/20
If Ole hadn’t played for us he wouldn’t ever have become Manchester United manager.
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which WAS the reason he was appointed.
It was a different direction the Club took from the ones before that failed.
posted on 4/11/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 16 minutes ago
And when you then look at the rest of his managerial career it becomes abundantly clear that he’s not good enough to be managing the club.
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You are just stating opinion as fact though.
He did the double over City, got plenty of points of the other rivals and has proven himself to be more than capable in Europe, beating some genuine quality.
For you, that might not be enough to think he's good enough to manage the club... Others will have a differing view.
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That’s fine, but he’s managing Manchester United not Everton.
posted on 4/11/20
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 29 minutes ago
Elvis. Yes, that fair. Apart from the Arsenal game we have looked better and fitter so seeing where we are by Xmas would be fair I think.
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Yep, that is where I am at. To be fair, I have always said that I would expect more from him after he had this summer's transfer window.
posted on 4/11/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 16 minutes ago
And when you then look at the rest of his managerial career it becomes abundantly clear that he’s not good enough to be managing the club.
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You are just stating opinion as fact though.
He did the double over City, got plenty of points of the other rivals and has proven himself to be more than capable in Europe, beating some genuine quality.
For you, that might not be enough to think he's good enough to manage the club... Others will have a differing view.
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That’s fine, but he’s managing Manchester United not Everton.
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Yes, we are Man Utd... a club in relative disarray and have been for 7 years.
But if you think that a 5th manager in 7 years is what will turn it all around... I'm not hear to convince you otherwise.
posted on 4/11/20
I didn’t say that will turn it all around, I’m saying Ole Gunnar Solskjaer isn’t good enough to be Manchester United manager.
posted on 4/11/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Why can’t we judge him over the nearly two years of his management of Manchester United?
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We can, first full season, third in the league, two cup semi finals; Critics then say, ah but weak league etc. But those results are facts, spin it how you like.
This season is odd,( West Brom 7 Liverpool 2) no home advantage with no crowd, poor in the league, super in Europe against clubs where we feared defeat.
We are fitter now, Arsenal set up better than we did, Bruno off form. That's one game.
He should get until year end at least, and then review, that would not only be fair but sensible.
I'm tired of reading Ole can't do this or that when we don't know. Let's find out.
posted on 4/11/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
I think that we now have a strong squad. I will discount the first few games of the season, as we were clearly off the pace due to a lack of preseason. However, since the international break, the team has looked fitter and we have pretty much a full strength squad. So now is the time to judge him. He needs to deliver in the coming months, otherwise questions will be asked and rightly so.
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The season 'began' with the Newcastle game as he said himself. Since then nothing new. We can perform against teams that give us space, and struggle against teams that don't. Someone as stubborn as him isn't going to magically improve in this area.
We will have clearly dropped standards if we give an unproven manager too long to prove that he isn't adequate.
posted on 4/11/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
I think that we now have a strong squad. I will discount the first few games of the season, as we were clearly off the pace due to a lack of preseason. However, since the international break, the team has looked fitter and we have pretty much a full strength squad. So now is the time to judge him. He needs to deliver in the coming months, otherwise questions will be asked and rightly so.
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The season 'began' with the Newcastle game as he said himself. Since then nothing new. We can perform against teams that give us space, and struggle against teams that don't. Someone as stubborn as him isn't going to magically improve in this area.
We will have clearly dropped standards if we give an unproven manager too long to prove that he isn't adequate.
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Yes we would have. But we aren't
posted on 4/11/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
He should get until year end at least, and then review, that would not only be fair but sensible.
I'm tired of reading Ole can't do this or that when we don't know. Let's find out.
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It all comes down to results; if they are not good enough, he'll go earlier.
As far as what he can do, we've found out a lot already. It's nearly two years he's been here.