Guendouzi - worth the effort?

As for Arteta falling out with Guenzouzi 'within few months', it's as if you think managers and players from different clubs don't talk to each other. Have you forgotten how 'everyone started with a clean-slate' when Arteta arrived? He already knew the issues we had in the team, the squad and, probably, the club too.
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I'm sorry Lex but that argument goes out the window when you take into account that Guendo is only 20, moved to Arsenal at 19 and has had only 2 professional clubs. It is not like feedbacks would have poured in from multiples sources.
As for the Landreau interview, don't get wrong, decent GK but wasn't known to be the most charismatic.
You could argue that he didn't have any issues with Emery so....

I don't want to come across as Guendo fan club because I'm not at all and if he needs to be sold, that is fine with me.
I'm just playing devils advocate here to say there is always two side of a story.
Ability wise, again taking age into account, I rate him higher than Elneny and Ceballos tbh.

I don't want to come across as Guendo fan club because I'm not at all and if he needs to be sold, that is fine with me.
I'm just playing devils advocate here to say there is always two side of a story.
Ability wise, again taking age into account, I rate him higher than Elneny and Ceballos tbh.
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Yes, I agree with this. Guendouzi is in a situation where he wasn't really putting in mind-boggling performances every week, and so Arteta sweeping him under the carpet was kinda accepted. But it's a really weird approach taken by Arteta, on Guendouzi and a few others. He's basically shut out these players without much of a reason as to why. If we had players in that role that were far superior, I know I wouldn't care about the plight about Guendouzi or others. But we don't.

I always question managers who shut out certain players, for no apparent reason. It's petty and I doubt the intention of such actions. My question remains; what exactly has Guendouzi done to warrant being discarded by Arteta?

Read Landreau's interview - not sure IAWT's comments about him lacking charisma are relevant (though perhaps it was lost in translation?) - line that up against all the rumours circulating from Guendouzi's time at other clubs, then add that to what we know from his time at Arsenal... I'm not sure why people are putting this on Arteta tbh.

He made it clear when he joined the type of character he is, and what he expects from his players - his 'non-negotiables' - so this was always likely to cause an issue or two. And in Guendouzi and Ozil he's had exactly that.

I'm not saying the manager hasn't made mistakes, but it shouldn't be forgotten he's helped develop the games of, and reintegrate, not just some of the younger players, but many of the senior players too.

Should he have given over more of the time he's spent doing so to an attention seeking, demanding kid whose level of talent is far from assured yet?

I don't think so.

Arteta is the manager and he is the one who has to work with the player day-in and day-out. Judging by Arteta's interviews it seems that humbleness is the quality that Arteta cherishes the most. This is not a surprise in my opinion as it is the Barcelona way and I can understand why because how can a younger player develop if he is not open to new ideas?

A very good point, J99.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
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Arteta is the manager and he is the one who has to work with the player day-in and day-out. Judging by Arteta's interviews it seems that humbleness is the quality that Arteta cherishes the most. This is not a surprise in my opinion as it is the Barcelona way and I can understand why because how can a younger player develop if he is not open to new ideas?
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I take your point on the humbleness.

But the rest is just an extrapolation. I doubt Guendo issues were him not being open to new idea.
From what I could read, it is mainly off field issues.

Read Landreau's interview - not sure IAWT's comments about him lacking charisma are relevant (though perhaps it was lost in translation?) - line that up against all the rumours circulating from Guendouzi's time at other clubs, then add that to what we know from his time at Arsenal... I'm not sure why people are putting this on Arteta tbh.
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It is not lost in translation Lex. Landreau really couldn't impose himself at Lorient.
Do you want to know what Arteta and him have in common? It was their first manager position. Both in their late 30's with no previous experience.
For Landreau, it remains the only one to date.

'Landreau really couldn't impose himself at Lorient.'

Ahh okay. Well I didn't get that from what you said about lacking charisma tbf. So...

Anyway, it could be argued that Emery hardly imposed himself at Arsenal (at least not in a positive way) yet, as someone said previously, Guendouzi got on fine under him. So perhaps the problem stems from Emery affording him too much leeway, which made things kick-off when Arteta sought to bring in a more disciplined approach?

Certainly I get the impression Guendouzi was allowed to play his own game at times under Emery. But, as J99 said, he's young and should still be adaptable enough to cope with new instruction. He'd only benefit from it in the long run anyway.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/7919695/arsenal-hippy-crack-ozil-lacazette-aubameyang-guendouzi/

Remember this? I think it reflects the culture Arteta is dealing with. He has an uphill task.

'Armenian midfielder Henrikh Mkhitaryan, 29, and German defen-der Shkodran Mustafi, 26, also appear in the footage but neither of them are seen using the balloons'

Mustafi appears in the first scene with a deflated balloon hanging from his mouth. I guess he'd claim supposition though.

Pretty disgraceful him egging Guendouzi on though, even appearing to show him how to inhale.

The senior players really should be setting a better example tbf.