Honestly, reading foxestalk and this I can tell some people are really frustrated about us drawing 2 games away against 2 of the best teams in the league just because they were both 0-0
The same people probably moan about us 'shipping goals' when we win but concede, and I can't work out what the team have to do to win with the fans, other than winning every game 5-0, however sadly, we're not barcelona.
If we're going to attack to try and score, we are bound to concede on the counter, that's just football. On the other hand if we're going to keep a clean sheet which so many fans beg for, than we need to be conservative, which in itself reduces our chance of scoring.
I think people need to realise that the only teams we're going to win 2-0 , 3-0, 4-0 against are the very lower teams as we're not the biggest fish in this division and our team aren't a million miles above the rest.
Can't Win!
posted on 29/9/11
I think the problem is that, because of the emotions involved in being a football supporter, some fans judge progression/performance exclusively on our most recent game or two.
I mentioned on another thread, that there are only a couple of teams who are in better form over the last 6 (since we adopted the diamond initially for 45 minutes and now 90).
The frustrating thing I find is that there are some opinions on the quantitative aspect of our game using qualitative measures which seems a little unfair.
Fans demanded a big improvement after Bristol. Since then we have picked up 10pts from 6 games, two points shy of the 12pts people would associate with auto-promotion form (and we would probably have this if it wasn't for bad luck against Cardiff and incompetence against Forest).
For me, there are three main views on our season:
1) 'The two loses were a blip' and deducting them from the equation we'd be P7 W3 D4 13pts. No complaints really. (quantitative)
2) 'The two loses equalled a problem'. Since, this problem has been arrested; unbeaten but still conceding - progression to unbeaten and clean sheets - next stage: unbeaten, clean sheets, scoring regularly. During this period - P6 W2 D4 [within these games we have played, in total, 4 games worth of the 'diamond', scoring 5 conceding 1; including 3 clean sheets when we have played it for the full 90] (quantitative)
3) 'Yes we are picking up wins at home and draws away with clean sheets, but we aren't playing well enough or scoring enough and/or are going to have a period where we lose again'. (qualitative). Okay, this is possible, but the fact is until we DO lose or at least stop winning at home and drawing away, this is only really conjecture and there isn't much grounding for moaning....unless one is a fan who demands winning games and scoring plenty of goals all the time.
posted on 29/9/11
The results of my latest survey are in and it is 100% accurate! If you don't concede any goals in any given game, then you absolutely cannot lose that game.
(however information on whether or not you will win said game requires further investigation)
posted on 29/9/11
"If we win our next two home games, points away to Cardiff and Boro look good. If we don't win out next two home games, we are struggling. "
If we drop points at home, then moaning about the run of results as a whole will be fair enough. But what some people seem to be doing is putting in a sustained stint of mardyarsing in advance, just in case they are cruelly deprived of the opportunity by a victory on Saturday.
posted on 29/9/11
Random question, have we been in the top 6 since the new owners took over?
posted on 29/9/11
I'm pretty sure we peaked – or rather plateaued – in February in 7th.
posted on 29/9/11
Thanks for the flashback fatfox. I haven't heard the expression mardyarse since I left England many years ago. A very localised expression.
posted on 29/9/11
I'm content about where we are at the moment - in the upper half of the table and not too far from the playoff spots. I thought we'd be OK if we were in contention for a playoff spot at Christmas - remember that's only half way through the season!
posted on 29/9/11
Montreal Fox: Yes, although 'mardy' can be heard (though I suspect increasingly rarely) in bits of four or maybe five counties. 'mardybum' is more restricted, and I doubt that 'mardyarse' ever stretched far outside of the Leicester city boundaries.
I never find mardy easy to 'translate' – it seems to require a whole sentence to explain it in standard English, and I don't recall ever coming across a word in the dialects of other places where I've lived that does the same job.
I have a pet theory that, when that happens, it tells you something about collective personality traits. In other words, perhaps there's something about the Leicester character that makes the word 'mardyarse' a useful one to keep handy.
posted on 30/9/11
I am loving the reflections on "mardy", a term I too have not heard in many years, but which was the small change of every day conversation when I was a (sometimes mardy, I guess) child in south Yorkshire, many decades ago. I don't recall the "mardyarse" elaboration (which I see cannot be hyphenated if it is to get past our censors) , so yes, perhaps that is special to Leicestershire.
We shall be calling Forest fans "nits", next....
posted on 30/9/11
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