Long read so bear with me!
I am of the feeling that a manager gets a year to show progress. It's been 14 months for Arteta and I think I can make my call now. And I dont think he is the answer.
This is not based on emotion but on what I am seeing and statistically. When he came in, the first job he did was to shore up our defence. I will give him thst...we look MILES better defensively and in the last couple of games, we have been undone by individual lapses. (I'll get back to this later). During project restart, we looked solid and that defence got us the FA cup. Having said that, shoring us up defensively was also the easiest part of the job as we were plain rubbish. Any improvement would have been noticeable. Arteta did a stellar job but he sacrificed our attacking play. Even last season...our chances were few and we had a red hot Auba to win is that cup. Once Auba became human and then went into a bad spell due to our horrible attacking play, wins dried up. And we started to lose.
Arteta then was forced to play Saka ESR and Martinelli and we suddenly came alive. That was a decision that was made for him due to injuries and players completely out of form. But the bad results had been exacerbated by his refusal to play anyone in the number 10 role.all our attack came down the left and looking at our heat maps, the middle attacking third was empty. Esr and Saka on the right was a "hail mary". And it worked.
However, even in our good run, we have been hampered by bizarre decisions. Throwing the FA cup was criminal. Not getting a leftback in Jan to cover Tierney who brilliant as he is, is injury prone it seems. His loyalty to poor players like Nketiah, Willian and Bellerin has cost us. And his inability to make game changing tactics and substitutions has cost us dear. Why the FACK is Willian anywhere near the squad? He is 32, premier league ready but been terrible for 5+ months. Yet he is often the 1st or second sub on. Often at the expense of players who have shown they can affect games positively either with energy or creativity - Willian has nothing to offer. I dont know what Martinelli has done to now be out in the cold in favour of Willian. I dont know why Luiz (albeit he has been playing well) was starting in front of Gabriel. I dont know why Bellerin was not dropped for Cedric months ago. I dont understand the management on Saliba, Reiss-Nelson and Balogun.
And sadly, Arteta seems stubborn for the wrong reasons. We have honestly played well for a handful of games. By now, I'd expect an identify in style...which I still don't see. I'd expect calculated changes to games and subs that make sense. I dont. I think Arteta will come good in time, but this job was too big and too soon. I would love to be proved wrong..because it would mean we are better and getting results and are a joy to watch. I want Arsenal to do well.
We are not playing in Europe next year. Europa is gonna be hard and we will not finish above 8th (realistically looking at 10th). Miserable season.
I am officially Arteta Out
posted on 6/2/21
comment by We've got our Arsenal back (U10012)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't think Arteta is the issue. Your owners are. If he was given a decent sized budget he'd get you make competing for top 4 but he won't get it.
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He has some of the budget he had on Willian and Runar. Little evidence that if given more money, he'd be spent wisely.
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Did he though or was that because funds were tight?
I'm pretty sure if he had a budget like ours he wouldn't have gone for either.
posted on 6/2/21
but he didn't need to go and spend money for neither. Willian has been so poor that he could have just promoted Nelson. Same with Runar and Macey. We had better internal solutions so nothing can justify the spending.
If anything, it was a waste of money and waste of a spot in the squad as both Nelson and Macey were homegrown.
posted on 6/2/21
I would fire him at the end of the season unless we win 11 out of 15 games in the PL and win the EL.
Not going to happen so he has to go
posted on 6/2/21
comment by We've got our Arsenal back (U10012)
posted 1 hour ago
but he didn't need to go and spend money for neither. Willian has been so poor that he could have just promoted Nelson. Same with Runar and Macey. We had better internal solutions so nothing can justify the spending.
If anything, it was a waste of money and waste of a spot in the squad as both Nelson and Macey were homegrown.
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This
posted on 6/2/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 12 minutes ago
Get Rafa in until the end of the season. Go from there. No way can it be worse than the sh-t show that is This season so far.
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No point in firing Arteta right now. Think you have to give him the rest of the season. He still has a chance of winning the Europa.
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That’s exactly why he needs binning for a manager with some actual pedigree and a history of winning trophies, otherwise it’s another pointless waste of a season. We have more defeats than wins ffs - Arteta isn’t getting anywhere near the Europa League. He’d struggle with a good squad, never mind with the shower of sh-te he’s working with. Get him out and get someone to placehold who’s had results with average players. Rafa should be our go-to till the seasons end. It’s the difference between us and Chelsea and why they don’t stagnate yet we, once again, look seemkk in NFL’s happy to. Pathetic.
posted on 6/2/21
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 12 minutes ago
Get Rafa in until the end of the season. Go from there. No way can it be worse than the sh-t show that is This season so far.
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No point in firing Arteta right now. Think you have to give him the rest of the season. He still has a chance of winning the Europa.
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That’s exactly why he needs binning for a manager with some actual pedigree and a history of winning trophies, otherwise it’s another pointless waste of a season. We have more defeats than wins ffs - Arteta isn’t getting anywhere near the Europa League. He’d struggle with a good squad, never mind with the shower of sh-te he’s working with. Get him out and get someone to placehold who’s had results with average players. Rafa should be our go-to till the seasons end. It’s the difference between us and Chelsea and why they don’t stagnate yet we, once again, look seemkk in NFL’s happy to. Pathetic.
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I've been down on Arteta for a while. But lets be fair he has been doing better recently. What has got me down on him today is that he should have known that after playing with 9 men a few days ago, he should freshened it up. And what has annoyed me the most is the double standards. We've lost 2 games now because of Cedric playing at left back but AMN was jettisoned for having one poor attacking game vs Palace where he was still sound defensively. The squad is easily top 6 capable.
But even with all that I cannot believe any new manager is going to suddenly understand the players or implement his ideas. Frankly Arteta can organise in cup games and I think he has a better chance to win the Europa than anyone we can bring in. I think we then reassess in the summer.
posted on 6/2/21
I think Arteta is a quality young manager and will be a top manager in the future. Perhaps this job was too soon for him but now we have him i want us to put our faith in him and show some patience.
Its a project and we will go through some tough periods. We are in a big transition now and even if we get a new manager in these periods will happen cause we are changing our squad around.
Even if he isn't the right manager I'd rather get the next manager in with a ready made squad to reap the benefits of the squad arteta helped build
posted on 6/2/21
Actually the transition to younger players is an ideal situation for Brendan Rodgers in the summer. Players on loan, like Gwen, Willock, AMN, Torreira could get a fresh start and the youngsters in the squad are very good.
There is no way we will be able to bring in any new players without European football. All the money we will save on reduced the wage bill be getting rid of the moochers, will be eaten up the drop in income.
posted on 6/2/21
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think Arteta is a quality young manager and will be a top manager in the future. Perhaps this job was too soon for him but now we have him i want us to put our faith in him and show some patience.
Its a project and we will go through some tough periods. We are in a big transition now and even if we get a new manager in these periods will happen cause we are changing our squad around.
Even if he isn't the right manager I'd rather get the next manager in with a ready made squad to reap the benefits of the squad arteta helped build
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What makes you think he can do any better next season? I fear that ever since we gave him the title of manager, we knew internally that he could not coach. Thats why we lack attacking intent. Playing attacking football requires more than selecting attacking players. You need to build attacking schemes in training and even our set pieces have gone backwards.
Arteta has been lucky there has been no crowd. With no money without European football what is going to change? Nobody has spent this season apart from Chelsea and us! Teams are actually weaker. Thats why we get so many odd results. If Arteta cannot win against weakened opposition what happens when the pandemic ends in the summer and every club opens their cheque book apart from us?
posted on 7/2/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think Arteta is a quality young manager and will be a top manager in the future. Perhaps this job was too soon for him but now we have him i want us to put our faith in him and show some patience.
Its a project and we will go through some tough periods. We are in a big transition now and even if we get a new manager in these periods will happen cause we are changing our squad around.
Even if he isn't the right manager I'd rather get the next manager in with a ready made squad to reap the benefits of the squad arteta helped build
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What makes you think he can do any better next season? I fear that ever since we gave him the title of manager, we knew internally that he could not coach. Thats why we lack attacking intent. Playing attacking football requires more than selecting attacking players. You need to build attacking schemes in training and even our set pieces have gone backwards.
Arteta has been lucky there has been no crowd. With no money without European football what is going to change? Nobody has spent this season apart from Chelsea and us! Teams are actually weaker. Thats why we get so many odd results. If Arteta cannot win against weakened opposition what happens when the pandemic ends in the summer and every club opens their cheque book apart from us?
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Don't get me started on set pieces! Saka..I love the kid...probably my player for the season for us. However...his delivery from corners is abysmal. He either can't beat the first man or over hits it. So tell me...why is he still taking corners?? ARTETA you fack...why do you keep him on set pieces?? And if he is the best we have for corners, then we are in serious trouble. What do they do in training? I seriously don't have any hope for our set pieces. Unlike when I watch Ward-Prowse or Fernandes...then two can put the ball where they want it and more often than not, it causes havoc for the defence. If I was an Arsenal CB, I would not jog the 80 yard up for a corner. Pointless.