Arteta v Emery

Out of the 15 games left I expect us to lose at least 8

I think we will finish between 10th-14th

Not expecting any European football next season

Expecting Benfica to win
This process is a far cry from the blatant lies the fanbase were told about competing with Bayern Munich

comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago
Arteta is part of a project that will take a number of years. Sack him now and that project will have to restart with the new manager. When you are conducting a complete overhaul of the squad we will be inconsistent. We will probably had to get worse before we got better.

This window in the summer is vitally important as I believe it is the window that will finally confirm the squad is Artetas and not emery’s or Wengers.

Personally I have faith in Arteta and will give him another season. I’ve seen enough from him to believe he can be a top manager. We just need to show some patience and accept that in the short term there will be some pain.

I believe sacking him will send us backwards cause this 3 year project will have to start again. We will be in the same position in 12 months debating whether the next manager should go because ultimately while we change squads and playing styles we will go through bad patches.

We just need to be resilient and patient and I believe Arteta will come good.

If a few months into next season we are performing as bad as we have this season then maybe it will prove the Arteta out fans right.

While there are many people who are generally concerned about Arteta as our manager, I just feel there are too many with an agenda. Many seem to me to be desperate for Arsenal to lose just so they can moan at Arteta and so they can say I told you so. These same fans go missing when we win and find it impossible to even say Arteta did a good job during that game. You can want a manager out and give said manager credit where credit is due when they win. I think these fans are like this because either they were Wenger fans and just want to prove that we can’t survive with Arsenal, or they like the manager merry go round where they can talk about sacking and hiring managers all the time or they are entitled fans who believe we shouldn’t have 1 bad patch of form that all teams go through every season.

I just hope we learn as a fan base to be more patient
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Agree.with this. I'm giving Arteta until midway through next season at least.

We will probably had to get worse before we got better.
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What if we don't get better? Because at least in terms of points accumulated, we certainly don't look like it.
I don't know if Arteta can turn this around, you don't know either if he can because Arteta himself doesn't know because lack of track records. This is literally his first senior management job so it could go in either direction and no one knows.
To me, this season is already a write-off so I'm not too bother. However, my biggest worry is that if he can't turn this around and at some stages, we need to pull the trigger, the longer we wait, the more the squad will be full of "Arteta" players, which is fair enough, hard to implement new playing and/or philosophy with players that don't suit you. But those new players, might not be the next manager taste neither so are we just gonna have a full change in squad every 2 seasons?
Emery brought Guendo, Torreira and Saliba. Players you could argue are not in Arteta top priority.
The next manager (if there is one) will already have to deal with the like of Willian, Cedric and Holding since he has been given a new contract. Plus a few more that could be added in the summer.

So when and how do you stop the bleeding?

If we have no European football next year then players will leave and we will not be able to compete enough for European football, no manager has 5 years to rebuild any team, its not how football works now

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 20 minutes ago
If we have no European football next year then players will leave and we will not be able to compete enough for European football, no manager has 5 years to rebuild any team, its not how football works now
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Maybe not but in this case in order to be able to be in Europe on this basis our club has to spend every year and on quality.

So either its a 3 year project with arteta who is building up our youth and we show patience or we spend money we haven't got or money that kroenke won't spend

So either its a 3 year project with arteta who is building up our youth and we show patience or we spend money we haven't got or money that kroenke won't spend
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Still not answering the question. What do we do if after this 3 years "project", we are in a worse place than now which going by our results over the past 18 months, it is totally possible?
I'm not asking him to be sacked btw, I just want to know what is everyone's contingency plan?

comment by We've got our Arsenal back (U10012)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
So either its a 3 year project with arteta who is building up our youth and we show patience or we spend money we haven't got or money that kroenke won't spend
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Still not answering the question. What do we do if after this 3 years "project", we are in a worse place than now which going by our results over the past 18 months, it is totally possible?
I'm not asking him to be sacked btw, I just want to know what is everyone's contingency plan?
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I believe that Artetas job should be reviewed frequently so that we can cut the project short if it really isn't working but we should still show patience and don't rush into anything. I know to some entitled fans they dont accept any period of poor form.

If Arteta is sacked then we will need to hire an experienced manager but we should look at someone who has the same mindset as Arteta. Someone who is willing to play a similar style so that a complete overhaul of the squad isnt needed again but also someone who can implement it better than Arteta did.

Preferably would like to avoid changing managers mid season

NLG

It was Ozil who bottled 4th place (3rd and 4th in fact), not the manager who was finally forced to play him due to injury taking out the player who'd gotten us there (with help). That was pretty much a "Manager, team and Ramsey had done all they could do" scenario and with 7 to go it was on Ozil to just perform for 2 of them...and he fecked us and his teammates. Emery's only real mistake, was listening to numpty fans at the start of last season and putting Ozil back in to keep on feckin us and him. He should have just trusted his first instinct and benched him as he had the season before. He'd still have a job at AFC.

I have no faith in him currently. Nearly all of Arteta's problems this season, have been problems of his own making. Normally I could forgive that since that's generally the case with most any rookie in any field, mistakes are usually made in abundance when you don't know sh !t. That in itself isn't a problem it's part and parcel of a career. The problem comes when you have a rookie who doesn't know sh !t, reckoning he knows it flippin all and there's nobody whom can tell him anything.

Because that is a a character who either simply won't learn from his/her mistakes or will always take a ridiculous and unnecessary amount of time to do so after doubling down several times. Can't really afford either in PL football. First half of this season is a prime example. 14 PL wasted, when it was clear as early as 4 in that his tactical plan was useless. A more humble man would have changed things far faster. Inexperienced, arrogant and stubborn is a bad combo anywhere but it's potentially disastrous for a PL manager.

I won't say Arteta can't turn it around and go on to become a good, even great manager. The player I remember certainly looked to have that potential easily. But I will say that cannot happen until he learns to remind himself he doesn't know sh !t, loses the "Big I am" attitude he hasn't got the trophies to back up, becomes less rigid in his thinking and most of all, starts showing his goddamn players some respect and treating them all fairly. As yet, I've not seen anything to indicate that's beginning to happen so I reckon we're absolutely stuffed for now. It's a case of "How bad will the damage get before he learns or is sacked?" Whichever comes first.

For the record all, I would rather see him learn. Was always keen on his appointment since I based my judgement on the player I remember. So far he's let me down bigtime. And I swear it's just this persona he's come with. Mikel Arteta the player was a nice guy, Arteta the manager is a feckin tool. It's as though he hung up his playing boots, done his badges and told himself in the mirror "You are a manager now, no more mister nice guy, you have to be a complete ass or the players won't respect you." He can be the decent guy he was as a player and still get respect as a manager. Soon as he figures that out and stops being such a d! ck, he'll be fine.