Horrible performance tonight but what strikes me is that there quite literally was no ambition to try and take the game to the opposition even when we are losing. Its not the first time it's happened this season either against City home and away we looked like we would just settle for 1-0 defeats again tonight the same attitude. Obviously the players have to shoulder a lot of blame but that attitude starts with the manager it's quite clear when he doesn't know what to do he just reverts to getting everyone behind the ball and just defend defend and defend some more. I think while obviously there are players who shouldn't be in the team the players who could actually make a difference are seeing through this rubbish and have maybe not downed tools but are getting close to it.
posted on 3/4/21
Our manager is Mikel Arteta. You need look no further than that mess for why we are where we are. Comfortably the least qualified Arsenal manager in 70 years.
posted on 4/4/21
Aubamayang was more concerned about his hairstyle
posted on 4/4/21
I'm sure we were all sat just waiting for Arteta to make the move and exchange Auba for Martinelli.
So frustrating that he waits until the game is dead.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
I'm sure we were all sat just waiting for Arteta to make the move and exchange Auba for Martinelli.
So frustrating that he waits until the game is dead.
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The only reason he came on was because the game was dead. At 0-0 Willian would have come on. Arteta has no interest in using Martinelli
posted on 4/4/21
Jenas summed it up on MOTD said something like "How many more times is he going to lineup with all these attacking players then make them play off the back foot all game?" With the players he has at his disposal he needs to scrap the defensive approach. Unlike the last two managers before him, he has the players at his disposal to play a strong back 4 with a sitting DM, defend well and let the forwards go and win the game. But it'll require attack minded gameplay to do it.
I want him sacked not because I think he's incapable of doing that (he'd be better at it than this) and turning things around in the process. But simply because he seems too blinded by his own arrogance to correct his own error, he definitely sees it. And now he's got the problem that he's been such an utter tool in how he went about it, it makes any climb down humiliating for him. It's funny, being less of a d! ck about it would have seen nobody bat an ehyelid that he got it wrong at first, being a rookie. But he gave it the big balls dictator approach didn't he, so backtracking looks so much worse now.
I'd ask him what his plans were for next season and if he came out with "Press on the same way, they'll get it right next year." Then he'd be clearing his desk. Way I see it, he should only keep his job if he agrees to abandon this ridiculous and miserably failing city cloning exercise. He plays the attacking football we're traditionally associated with in PL (the bloody footy he played himself too) or he can go and manage elsewhere. Can't say fairer than that.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jenas summed it up on MOTD said something like "How many more times is he going to lineup with all these attacking players then make them play off the back foot all game?" With the players he has at his disposal he needs to scrap the defensive approach. Unlike the last two managers before him, he has the players at his disposal to play a strong back 4 with a sitting DM, defend well and let the forwards go and win the game. But it'll require attack minded gameplay to do it.
I want him sacked not because I think he's incapable of doing that (he'd be better at it than this) and turning things around in the process. But simply because he seems too blinded by his own arrogance to correct his own error, he definitely sees it. And now he's got the problem that he's been such an utter tool in how he went about it, it makes any climb down humiliating for him. It's funny, being less of a d! ck about it would have seen nobody bat an ehyelid that he got it wrong at first, being a rookie. But he gave it the big balls dictator approach didn't he, so backtracking looks so much worse now.
I'd ask him what his plans were for next season and if he came out with "Press on the same way, they'll get it right next year." Then he'd be clearing his desk. Way I see it, he should only keep his job if he agrees to abandon this ridiculous and miserably failing city cloning exercise. He plays the attacking football we're traditionally associated with in PL (the bloody footy he played himself too) or he can go and manage elsewhere. Can't say fairer than that.
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I agree with you, but I also think Arteta is setting us up this way because we don't have the midfielders to play on the front foot. He doesn't trust them not to gift the opposition possession in dangerous places and give away silly goals.
If he signs another CM in the summer and still plays this way, or fails to sign any CMs, then I think he will have to go. Arteta has been our manager throughout the pandemic remember and hasn't been able to have a proper preseason with our squad. It's possible with better coaching he could change our style to a more attacking approach, but I get why he doesn't want to change it mid-season.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jenas summed it up on MOTD said something like "How many more times is he going to lineup with all these attacking players then make them play off the back foot all game?" With the players he has at his disposal he needs to scrap the defensive approach. Unlike the last two managers before him, he has the players at his disposal to play a strong back 4 with a sitting DM, defend well and let the forwards go and win the game. But it'll require attack minded gameplay to do it.
I want him sacked not because I think he's incapable of doing that (he'd be better at it than this) and turning things around in the process. But simply because he seems too blinded by his own arrogance to correct his own error, he definitely sees it. And now he's got the problem that he's been such an utter tool in how he went about it, it makes any climb down humiliating for him. It's funny, being less of a d! ck about it would have seen nobody bat an ehyelid that he got it wrong at first, being a rookie. But he gave it the big balls dictator approach didn't he, so backtracking looks so much worse now.
I'd ask him what his plans were for next season and if he came out with "Press on the same way, they'll get it right next year." Then he'd be clearing his desk. Way I see it, he should only keep his job if he agrees to abandon this ridiculous and miserably failing city cloning exercise. He plays the attacking football we're traditionally associated with in PL (the bloody footy he played himself too) or he can go and manage elsewhere. Can't say fairer than that.
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I agree with you, but I also think Arteta is setting us up this way because we don't have the midfielders to play on the front foot. He doesn't trust them not to gift the opposition possession in dangerous places and give away silly goals.
If he signs another CM in the summer and still plays this way, or fails to sign any CMs, then I think he will have to go. Arteta has been our manager throughout the pandemic remember and hasn't been able to have a proper preseason with our squad. It's possible with better coaching he could change our style to a more attacking approach, but I get why he doesn't want to change it mid-season.
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For clarity, I agree with you on how we should be approaching games tactically. I don't agree Arteta should be sacked yet. I think the improved performances since Christmas and the exceptional circumstances he has had to work with mean that would be rash and unfair on Mikel. But I do think the club should now start looking for a new manager just in case. Arteta should get the summer window, but if the start to next season is no good, then that is it, in my opinion.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jenas summed it up on MOTD said something like "How many more times is he going to lineup with all these attacking players then make them play off the back foot all game?" With the players he has at his disposal he needs to scrap the defensive approach. Unlike the last two managers before him, he has the players at his disposal to play a strong back 4 with a sitting DM, defend well and let the forwards go and win the game. But it'll require attack minded gameplay to do it.
I want him sacked not because I think he's incapable of doing that (he'd be better at it than this) and turning things around in the process. But simply because he seems too blinded by his own arrogance to correct his own error, he definitely sees it. And now he's got the problem that he's been such an utter tool in how he went about it, it makes any climb down humiliating for him. It's funny, being less of a d! ck about it would have seen nobody bat an ehyelid that he got it wrong at first, being a rookie. But he gave it the big balls dictator approach didn't he, so backtracking looks so much worse now.
I'd ask him what his plans were for next season and if he came out with "Press on the same way, they'll get it right next year." Then he'd be clearing his desk. Way I see it, he should only keep his job if he agrees to abandon this ridiculous and miserably failing city cloning exercise. He plays the attacking football we're traditionally associated with in PL (the bloody footy he played himself too) or he can go and manage elsewhere. Can't say fairer than that.
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I agree with you, but I also think Arteta is setting us up this way because we don't have the midfielders to play on the front foot. He doesn't trust them not to gift the opposition possession in dangerous places and give away silly goals.
If he signs another CM in the summer and still plays this way, or fails to sign any CMs, then I think he will have to go. Arteta has been our manager throughout the pandemic remember and hasn't been able to have a proper preseason with our squad. It's possible with better coaching he could change our style to a more attacking approach, but I get why he doesn't want to change it mid-season.
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What difference is a pre-season going to make? He's had a whole year with the same players.
If anything you waste another year if you change mid-season. So why would you leave it to next season if we can't make any changes without European football?
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jenas summed it up on MOTD said something like "How many more times is he going to lineup with all these attacking players then make them play off the back foot all game?" With the players he has at his disposal he needs to scrap the defensive approach. Unlike the last two managers before him, he has the players at his disposal to play a strong back 4 with a sitting DM, defend well and let the forwards go and win the game. But it'll require attack minded gameplay to do it.
I want him sacked not because I think he's incapable of doing that (he'd be better at it than this) and turning things around in the process. But simply because he seems too blinded by his own arrogance to correct his own error, he definitely sees it. And now he's got the problem that he's been such an utter tool in how he went about it, it makes any climb down humiliating for him. It's funny, being less of a d! ck about it would have seen nobody bat an ehyelid that he got it wrong at first, being a rookie. But he gave it the big balls dictator approach didn't he, so backtracking looks so much worse now.
I'd ask him what his plans were for next season and if he came out with "Press on the same way, they'll get it right next year." Then he'd be clearing his desk. Way I see it, he should only keep his job if he agrees to abandon this ridiculous and miserably failing city cloning exercise. He plays the attacking football we're traditionally associated with in PL (the bloody footy he played himself too) or he can go and manage elsewhere. Can't say fairer than that.
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I agree with you, but I also think Arteta is setting us up this way because we don't have the midfielders to play on the front foot. He doesn't trust them not to gift the opposition possession in dangerous places and give away silly goals.
If he signs another CM in the summer and still plays this way, or fails to sign any CMs, then I think he will have to go. Arteta has been our manager throughout the pandemic remember and hasn't been able to have a proper preseason with our squad. It's possible with better coaching he could change our style to a more attacking approach, but I get why he doesn't want to change it mid-season.
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What difference is a pre-season going to make? He's had a whole year with the same players.
If anything you waste another year if you change mid-season. So why would you leave it to next season if we can't make any changes without European football?
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There's a massive difference between trying to coach a team in the middle of the season and trying to setup a team tactically for the season ahead. Once the season starts you have very little time between games and travelling to work on anything new, because you also have to recover from the previous games, and prepare for your upcoming opponents.
I also don't agree we can't make changes without European football, but it massively changes what our strategy has to be - we have to commit to signing and playing younger players because we won't be able to afford the salaries of more experienced, proven ones.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 1 minute ago
What difference is a pre-season going to make? He's had a whole year with the same players.
If anything you waste another year if you change mid-season. So why would you leave it to next season if we can't make any changes without European football?
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There's a massive difference between trying to coach a team in the middle of the season and trying to setup a team tactically for the season ahead. Once the season starts you have very little time between games and travelling to work on anything new, because you also have to recover from the previous games, and prepare for your upcoming opponents.
I also don't agree we can't make changes without European football, but it massively changes what our strategy has to be - we have to commit to signing and playing younger players because we won't be able to afford the salaries of more experienced, proven ones.
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Arteta has been manager since Jan last season. If his coaching methods haven't sunk in by now they aren't going to in a 2 month period cut short by a major championship. Pre-seasons are literally for building stamina, endurance and inducting new players into your system.
We have been making losses since we dropped out of the Champions League. Kroenke has been funding transfers from his own pocket but there has at least been Europa cup to mitigate our losses. Where do you think the money is going to come from when so much of our income comes from match day revenue which has been none existent during covid. We have been borrowing from the government and firing our staff like something out of a Vulture Capitalist drama. And you seriously think we will have money to spend without European football?