We are now approaching 20 years since Jose started his managerial career at Porto. When you compare the first half of his career to the second part of his career there is a stark difference in the number of trophyless seasons. Should he fail to win anything this season which looks likely, that'll be 4 trophyless seasons in his last 5, or 6 in his last 8 if you stretch it back to his last season at Madrid. Before that however he had won trophies in 9 seasons out of 9. Shows you how much his levels have fallen.
Six trophyless seasons out of 8 though, at clubs Real Madrid, Chelsea, Man United and Spurs, along with a couple of sackings, and one potentially on the horizon. I don't know about you but I feel like you could put, let's say Alan Pardew in charge, and he'd have the same success rate.
Look at his win percentages as well going back to Porto, there is a common theme there:
Porto = 71.65%
Chelsea = 67.03%
Inter = 62.04%
Real Madrid = 71.91%
Chelsea = 58.82%
Man United = 58.33%
Tottenham = 52.38%
Ok, Real Madrid throws a spanner in the works but with good reason. You could literally put a bag of cement in charge of Real Madrid and it would have a decent win percentage. Outside of that it's a gradually decreasing win % with each new appointment.
Did we not bother looking at the evidence and warning signs, and do a smidgen of research before making this appointment? Was Levy that much of a fanboy that he dismissed it? I guess so. Please, I never want to hear how baldy is "shrewd" ever again.
So we appoint him and the proof is so far in the pudding. He's doing exactly what it says on the tin - failing and going trophyless again. He's had 16 months here to revitalise the team and many new players brought in, and we are where we are, out of Europe and the FA Cup early, stumbling in a top 4 race, and a League Cup final thrashing to look forward to.
He's in his first full season after a good summer transfer window and guess what, this is the worst tally of points at this stage (other than last season which he was a part of) since the 2008-09 season with Ramos/Redknapp. How is that in any way, shape or form acceptable? If you look at the team back then this one is superior. King and Woodgate might be a better pairing than any we have right now, but we had Defoe and Bent as our attacking options. Bent was our top scorer with 12 league goals! And by the way, we also went out of Europe and FA Cup early and made a League Cup final back then, so hardly like we have anything else in this season to show for it.
What more evidence do you need that Jose is no longer suitable for a top club? Oh yeah how about his lack of judgement on players. He was the one who rated Dier, who let De Bruyne, Salah and Lukaku go. Before he came to Spurs he specifically made out that he didn't need to do much to change the team because he felt it had enough quality. Now he's saying the players aren't good enough and is in his usual defensive mode when things don't go his way.
I haven't even talked about the diabolical football for much of the season, only that has been covered to death so it's not necessary.
It really is time to flush him out of the club and move on. I would rather he wasn't given the satisfaction of managing a cup final. Not only do I think he has little chance of winning because as we've seen his strength of turning up in the big games has departed him, I'm also struggling to find the motivation to support the team with a hopeless manager at the helm.
Jose past his best - The stats and facts
posted on 5/4/21
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
People have their own reasons for following football I guess, but the 'hE WoN 2 TrOfeEz' argument never really did it for me.
In short, forgetting the dire football and the results, with Jose you are left with a manager who doesn't give 2 shīts about the club he is managing, only his own reputation (hence him looking for people to throw under the bus when things don't go his way). And a group of players who subsequently reflect that attitude.
The result is just this general feeling of apathy around the club - it really comes through on home match days. It wasn't the worst United team I've seen but it was by far my least enjoyable time supporting the club. You end up just not really caring anymore - a really horrible feeling in itself. I suspect that's what a lot of Spurs fans are feeling right now. And no, a facking Carabo Cup and a Ropey league did not make up for it.
Appreciate not everyone will the same way, but people who come out with stuff like 'you should be grateful he won you 2 trophies' can fack off. The man is a virus.
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I suppose you prefer winning games courtesy of refereeing bias and gifted penalties, just last night Brighton were robbed of a clear penalty at Old Toilet with the game at 1-1
posted on 5/4/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
People have their own reasons for following football I guess, but the 'hE WoN 2 TrOfeEz' argument never really did it for me.
In short, forgetting the dire football and the results, with Jose you are left with a manager who doesn't give 2 shīts about the club he is managing, only his own reputation (hence him looking for people to throw under the bus when things don't go his way). And a group of players who subsequently reflect that attitude.
The result is just this general feeling of apathy around the club - it really comes through on home match days. It wasn't the worst United team I've seen but it was by far my least enjoyable time supporting the club. You end up just not really caring anymore - a really horrible feeling in itself. I suspect that's what a lot of Spurs fans are feeling right now. And no, a facking Carabo Cup and a Ropey league did not make up for it.
Appreciate not everyone will the same way, but people who come out with stuff like 'you should be grateful he won you 2 trophies' can fack off. The man is a virus.
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I suppose you prefer winning games courtesy of refereeing bias and gifted penalties, just last night Brighton were robbed of a clear penalty at Old Toilet with the game at 1-1
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I guess this is kind of what I mean by fan attitudes reflecting that of the manager's.
Granted Billy has always been a pathetic, whiny little bītch who blames everyone else for his own team's deficiencies. But I dunno, I think he's become worse since you hired Jose.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
People have their own reasons for following football I guess, but the 'hE WoN 2 TrOfeEz' argument never really did it for me.
In short, forgetting the dire football and the results, with Jose you are left with a manager who doesn't give 2 shīts about the club he is managing, only his own reputation (hence him looking for people to throw under the bus when things don't go his way). And a group of players who subsequently reflect that attitude.
The result is just this general feeling of apathy around the club - it really comes through on home match days. It wasn't the worst United team I've seen but it was by far my least enjoyable time supporting the club. You end up just not really caring anymore - a really horrible feeling in itself. I suspect that's what a lot of Spurs fans are feeling right now. And no, a facking Carabo Cup and a Ropey league did not make up for it.
Appreciate not everyone will the same way, but people who come out with stuff like 'you should be grateful he won you 2 trophies' can fack off. The man is a virus.
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I suppose you prefer winning games courtesy of refereeing bias and gifted penalties, just last night Brighton were robbed of a clear penalty at Old Toilet with the game at 1-1
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Tangential as ever
posted on 5/4/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 6 hours, 47 minutes ago
Another thread that just becomes the Sandy show. Was so much better when he wasn’t around. If ever a poster deserved a mass filtering its him, wumming his own fans year after year.
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You are making into the Sandy show. If you would just give your big gob a rest from having a pop at me 24/7, then maybe that would help. Do you seriously think I take you seriously, somebody who has been banned for bad behaviour more times than I have had hot dinners. If you hate me so much, just filter me.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 6 hours, 47 minutes ago
Another thread that just becomes the Sandy show. Was so much better when he wasn’t around. If ever a poster deserved a mass filtering its him, wumming his own fans year after year.
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You are making into the Sandy show. If you would just give your big gob a rest from having a pop at me 24/7, then maybe that would help. Do you seriously think I take you seriously, somebody who has been banned for bad behaviour more times than I have had hot dinners. If you hate me so much, just filter me.
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No Sandy coming back, after hiding for a couple of months, calling yourself Mr Positive and pathetically claiming that your account had been hacked for a number of years. That’s what makes it exactly what a social reject like yourself craves, the Sandy show.
posted on 5/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 6 hours, 47 minutes ago
Another thread that just becomes the Sandy show. Was so much better when he wasn’t around. If ever a poster deserved a mass filtering its him, wumming his own fans year after year.
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You are making into the Sandy show. If you would just give your big gob a rest from having a pop at me 24/7, then maybe that would help. Do you seriously think I take you seriously, somebody who has been banned for bad behaviour more times than I have had hot dinners. If you hate me so much, just filter me.
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He is an infinitely better poster than you, honestly. His hard man act is just that, its black humour. Some people dont get it. But on footballing matters he is levels above many on here and definitely a better poster than you. And you are getting closer and closer to be Spur's own Wahl, RDD or Culer, a moron.
posted on 6/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 6 hours, 47 minutes ago
Another thread that just becomes the Sandy show. Was so much better when he wasn’t around. If ever a poster deserved a mass filtering its him, wumming his own fans year after year.
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You are making into the Sandy show. If you would just give your big gob a rest from having a pop at me 24/7, then maybe that would help. Do you seriously think I take you seriously, somebody who has been banned for bad behaviour more times than I have had hot dinners. If you hate me so much, just filter me.
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Or he could just wait until you leave again for a couple of months rather than filter you. What will your next alias, be maybe a continental theme? Perhaps Senor Positivo or maybe Monsieur Positif?
posted on 6/4/21
hi
posted on 6/4/21
comment by Ebeneezer (U1397)
posted 46 minutes ago
hi
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Go away Sanluka
posted on 6/4/21
hi scenes what you been up to this weekend old friend?