Standard of officiating this season

That’s a good law - now it’s down to interpretation and applying it. Imo there’s no movement towards the ball and it’s accidental. Played at normal speed he’s little chance of avoiding contact nor does he have to move it away as his upper limb is in a natural position by his side.

comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well, refs with 20+ years experience are fuq-ing things up left, right, and centre, week in, week out. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of actual players past and present. I value and rate their view very highly.


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Maybe if you think you could do a better job then you should consider a change of career paths? You could be the exact boost that refereeing in this country needs!
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This. I’d absolutely love those that continually moan to go do 90 mins and see what a challenge it is. Would change a lot of peoples views.

comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well, refs with 20+ years experience are fuq-ing things up left, right, and centre, week in, week out. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of actual players past and present. I value and rate their view very highly.


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Maybe if you think you could do a better job then you should consider a change of career paths? You could be the exact boost that refereeing in this country needs!
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This. I’d absolutely love those that continually moan to go do 90 mins and see what a challenge it is. Would change a lot of peoples views.
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Not sure that's a fair argument, refs are professional nowadays and paid very handsomely for Premier League matches, I doubt we have many professional refs on this form.

Ignoring this particular argument and responding to the OP as well as yourself, given Refs now make their living out of carrying out the job I think they and their lame brained associates short change the paying public with poor and inconsistent decisions this and every season furthermore I have no doubt the quality of officiating won't improve in time for next season either.

comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well, refs with 20+ years experience are fuq-ing things up left, right, and centre, week in, week out. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of actual players past and present. I value and rate their view very highly.


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Maybe if you think you could do a better job then you should consider a change of career paths? You could be the exact boost that refereeing in this country needs!
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This. I’d absolutely love those that continually moan to go do 90 mins and see what a challenge it is. Would change a lot of peoples views.
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Not sure that's a fair argument, refs are professional nowadays and paid very handsomely for Premier League matches, I doubt we have many professional refs on this form.

Ignoring this particular argument and responding to the OP as well as yourself, given Refs now make their living out of carrying out the job I think they and their lame brained associates short change the paying public with poor and inconsistent decisions this and every season furthermore I have no doubt the quality of officiating won't improve in time for next season either.
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The attitude in this comment is the exact reason why the pool of referees stagnate. Want a better standard of refereeing? Contribute to an environment where people feel comfortable wanting to become a referee.

Abuse of referees is institutionalized in the sport, so plenty of people who would be good referees don't. Therefore, you end up with a summit of referees who are thick skinned to both abuse and criticism.

On the topic of the Shaw decision, its clearly not a handball. His arm is by his side, and it doesn't move towards it (no matter how skewed an angle you try to show me). You're right. You don't need to be a qualified referee to see that.

comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well, refs with 20+ years experience are fuq-ing things up left, right, and centre, week in, week out. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of actual players past and present. I value and rate their view very highly.


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Maybe if you think you could do a better job then you should consider a change of career paths? You could be the exact boost that refereeing in this country needs!
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This. I’d absolutely love those that continually moan to go do 90 mins and see what a challenge it is. Would change a lot of peoples views.
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Not sure that's a fair argument, refs are professional nowadays and paid very handsomely for Premier League matches, I doubt we have many professional refs on this form.

Ignoring this particular argument and responding to the OP as well as yourself, given Refs now make their living out of carrying out the job I think they and their lame brained associates short change the paying public with poor and inconsistent decisions this and every season furthermore I have no doubt the quality of officiating won't improve in time for next season either.
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The attitude in this comment is the exact reason why the pool of referees stagnate. Want a better standard of refereeing? Contribute to an environment where people feel comfortable wanting to become a referee.

Abuse of referees is institutionalized in the sport, so plenty of people who would be good referees don't. Therefore, you end up with a summit of referees who are thick skinned to both abuse and criticism.

On the topic of the Shaw decision, its clearly not a handball. His arm is by his side, and it doesn't move towards it (no matter how skewed an angle you try to show me). You're right. You don't need to be a qualified referee to see that.
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Nailed it again

Most surprising take from all of this is that Kebab is against moaning!

comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well, refs with 20+ years experience are fuq-ing things up left, right, and centre, week in, week out. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of actual players past and present. I value and rate their view very highly.


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Maybe if you think you could do a better job then you should consider a change of career paths? You could be the exact boost that refereeing in this country needs!
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This. I’d absolutely love those that continually moan to go do 90 mins and see what a challenge it is. Would change a lot of peoples views.
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Not sure that's a fair argument, refs are professional nowadays and paid very handsomely for Premier League matches, I doubt we have many professional refs on this form.

Ignoring this particular argument and responding to the OP as well as yourself, given Refs now make their living out of carrying out the job I think they and their lame brained associates short change the paying public with poor and inconsistent decisions this and every season furthermore I have no doubt the quality of officiating won't improve in time for next season either.
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The attitude in this comment is the exact reason why the pool of referees stagnate. Want a better standard of refereeing? Contribute to an environment where people feel comfortable wanting to become a referee.

Abuse of referees is institutionalized in the sport, so plenty of people who would be good referees don't. Therefore, you end up with a summit of referees who are thick skinned to both abuse and criticism.

On the topic of the Shaw decision, its clearly not a handball. His arm is by his side, and it doesn't move towards it (no matter how skewed an angle you try to show me). You're right. You don't need to be a qualified referee to see that.
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I'm concerned that you believe its wrong to convey to referees that a poor performance is unacceptable, surely you absolutely need to criticise them after a poor performance for them to learn from experience. That's like sacking a poor performing employee without prior warning that what they're currently doing is unacceptable

comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kern (U4664)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well, refs with 20+ years experience are fuq-ing things up left, right, and centre, week in, week out. That's not my opinion. That's the opinion of actual players past and present. I value and rate their view very highly.


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Maybe if you think you could do a better job then you should consider a change of career paths? You could be the exact boost that refereeing in this country needs!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This. I’d absolutely love those that continually moan to go do 90 mins and see what a challenge it is. Would change a lot of peoples views.
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its a very tough job and i know i couldn't do it. but i haven't been trained for 20 years to do it.
what i could do is look at a tv screen and see a ball hit a defenders arm stopping a scoring chance.
the only way his arm looks like it's in a natural position would be if it was broken and in a cast.
there must be at least a couple of posters here that have a ref as a relative.

thankless task......reffs seem to be becoming lazy as submissively they know var is there to help but var has really been no help as most decisions are subjective or the rule changes have been baffling to say the least, yet more changes yet again next season.

Balbuena's stupid red card overturned. Quite rightly.
Hopefully that ref brushes up on football and physics
before his next outing.