Morning all,
A bitter pill to swallow if the rumours are true and we do lose Harry this summer - but we're not the only club who will have lost their star player in recent history, and we certainly won't be the last, and there are many examples of clubs selling their stars and actually becoming better overall - so how did they do it?
One thing that all clubs in this category seem to have in common is that they buy younger than they sell - now I know we don't want to become a 'feeder' club like Dortmund - constantly developing young players only to have them poached by Bayern as soon as they hit their prime, but England is a lot different to Germany, there is more competition and no 'Bayern' as such to have their pick of the rest of the league.
Leicester are one of the best examples - sell Kante, buy Ndidi. Sell Maguire, buy Soyuncu/Fofana. Sell Mahrez, buy Maddison. Sell Chilwell, buy Justin.
I'm not saying it's simple or easy, but there are a lot of good young players out there who we should be looking at, regardless of whether we sell Kane or not. Leicester are about to buy Soumare for a ridiculously low price who we should be all over, for example.
It's strange that we have seemed to go away from this model as we seemed to excel at identifying young talent at good prices previously (Eriksen, Dembele, Alli, Son etc), and it is this strategy which allowed us to punch above our weight for so long.
So to summarise, if Kane does leave, I think it makes the strategy going forward all the more obvious - get in a Graham Potter type and buy young with lots of potential. Let's learn from the Bale sale. No 28 year old Soldado's who are too old to adapt or mid 20's Capoue's/Chadli's who aren't going to get much better than they already are. We can only get better in time if we adopt this strategy. And the players are definitely out there, and we all know that clubs need money. An example shortlist would be something like this:
Botman
Kounde
Aarons
Lamptey
Gravenberch
Berge
Soumare
McNeil
Wirtz
Malen
That's just a quick list off the top of my head. IMO, the best thing for a team which has gone a little stale is a sprinkling of exciting young players. It worked before, it can work again. Plus the likes of Skipp, Sessegnon, Tanganga, Rodon, Scarlett.
The future can look a lot brighter than it currently does if we make some good decisions this summer.
Why can't we follow other clubs examples?
posted on 18/5/21
I's day for at least one season, probably two, they were among the best CB pairing in Europe. Debateable whether they were world class players, but as a partnership they were pretty fantastic
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
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Berge - decent but got relegated
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What has getting relegated got to do with anything?
Liverpool bought Robertson from Hull after they got relegated. That didn't turn out too bad did it?
posted on 18/5/21
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
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Berge - decent but got relegated
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What has getting relegated got to do with anything?
Liverpool bought Robertson from Hull after they got relegated. That didn't turn out too bad did it?
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yeah i didnt think that one through
looks like Arsenal are linked to him
posted on 18/5/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else.
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That's one of Spurs biggest problems of recent years, you haven't had any 'World class' players there apart from Kane, but for some reason you believe/d they are world class. Everyone else, even at Spurs peak, were just good players and a good team, never been world class imo.
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I tend to agree with this. "World class" is often overused. I'd say to be world class you kind of need to be good enough to be in the starting 11 or on the bench for a world all star team. Kane would be in that bracket but no one else. You're talking Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Lewandowski etc. People like Son are in the next level down, probably along with Vertonghen and Toby in their prime. Never world class.
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Toby and Verts were world class in my opinion, there were very few better CB partnerships in world football, when they were at their peak.
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Everybody knows your opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
As has already been hinted at above, they were an excellent partnership and as such played beyond their individual abilities, but neither was world class without the other. A world class pairing, absolutely yes but as individuals, no way.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else.
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That's one of Spurs biggest problems of recent years, you haven't had any 'World class' players there apart from Kane, but for some reason you believe/d they are world class. Everyone else, even at Spurs peak, were just good players and a good team, never been world class imo.
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I tend to agree with this. "World class" is often overused. I'd say to be world class you kind of need to be good enough to be in the starting 11 or on the bench for a world all star team. Kane would be in that bracket but no one else. You're talking Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Lewandowski etc. People like Son are in the next level down, probably along with Vertonghen and Toby in their prime. Never world class.
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Prime Verts and Toby were classed as WC
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I don't agree personally, as someone said earlier, they made a good/solid pairing for a season or 2 but i still don't think that made them World class. In theory, any team having 2 WC CB's and a WC forward all at their peak, and good players around them would have won something, anything imo.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else.
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That's one of Spurs biggest problems of recent years, you haven't had any 'World class' players there apart from Kane, but for some reason you believe/d they are world class. Everyone else, even at Spurs peak, were just good players and a good team, never been world class imo.
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I tend to agree with this. "World class" is often overused. I'd say to be world class you kind of need to be good enough to be in the starting 11 or on the bench for a world all star team. Kane would be in that bracket but no one else. You're talking Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Lewandowski etc. People like Son are in the next level down, probably along with Vertonghen and Toby in their prime. Never world class.
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Prime Verts and Toby were classed as WC
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I don't agree personally, as someone said earlier, they made a good/solid pairing for a season or 2 but i still don't think that made them World class. In theory, any team having 2 WC CB's and a WC forward all at their peak, and good players around them would have won something, anything imo.
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In that position, you're looking at the likes of VVD, Ferdinand, Beckenbauer, Ramos, Cannavaro, Nesta, Baresi. You just can't put Verts and Toby anywhere near that lot. Brilliant partnership but not in the same league.
posted on 18/5/21
Prime Verts and Toby were classed as WC
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I don't agree personally, as someone said earlier, they made a good/solid pairing for a season or 2 but i still don't think that made them World class. In theory, any team having 2 WC CB's and a WC forward all at their peak, and good players around them would have won something, anything imo.
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In that position, you're looking at the likes of VVD, Ferdinand, Beckenbauer, Ramos, Cannavaro, Nesta, Baresi. You just can't put Verts and Toby anywhere near that lot. Brilliant partnership but not in the same league.
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Exactly
posted on 18/5/21
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else.
----------------------------------------------------------
That's one of Spurs biggest problems of recent years, you haven't had any 'World class' players there apart from Kane, but for some reason you believe/d they are world class. Everyone else, even at Spurs peak, were just good players and a good team, never been world class imo.
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I tend to agree with this. "World class" is often overused. I'd say to be world class you kind of need to be good enough to be in the starting 11 or on the bench for a world all star team. Kane would be in that bracket but no one else. You're talking Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Lewandowski etc. People like Son are in the next level down, probably along with Vertonghen and Toby in their prime. Never world class.
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Toby and Verts were world class in my opinion, there were very few better CB partnerships in world football, when they were at their peak.
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Everybody knows your opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
As has already been hinted at above, they were an excellent partnership and as such played beyond their individual abilities, but neither was world class without the other. A world class pairing, absolutely yes but as individuals, no way.
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LOL who gives a feck what a mickey mouser thinks.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else.
----------------------------------------------------------
That's one of Spurs biggest problems of recent years, you haven't had any 'World class' players there apart from Kane, but for some reason you believe/d they are world class. Everyone else, even at Spurs peak, were just good players and a good team, never been world class imo.
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I tend to agree with this. "World class" is often overused. I'd say to be world class you kind of need to be good enough to be in the starting 11 or on the bench for a world all star team. Kane would be in that bracket but no one else. You're talking Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Lewandowski etc. People like Son are in the next level down, probably along with Vertonghen and Toby in their prime. Never world class.
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Prime Verts and Toby were classed as WC
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I don't agree personally, as someone said earlier, they made a good/solid pairing for a season or 2 but i still don't think that made them World class. In theory, any team having 2 WC CB's and a WC forward all at their peak, and good players around them would have won something, anything imo.
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In that position, you're looking at the likes of VVD, Ferdinand, Beckenbauer, Ramos, Cannavaro, Nesta, Baresi. You just can't put Verts and Toby anywhere near that lot. Brilliant partnership but not in the same league.
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VVD is nowhere in the same class as a peak Toby. He had one good season.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else.
----------------------------------------------------------
That's one of Spurs biggest problems of recent years, you haven't had any 'World class' players there apart from Kane, but for some reason you believe/d they are world class. Everyone else, even at Spurs peak, were just good players and a good team, never been world class imo.
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I tend to agree with this. "World class" is often overused. I'd say to be world class you kind of need to be good enough to be in the starting 11 or on the bench for a world all star team. Kane would be in that bracket but no one else. You're talking Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Neymar, Kane, Lewandowski etc. People like Son are in the next level down, probably along with Vertonghen and Toby in their prime. Never world class.
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Prime Verts and Toby were classed as WC
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I don't agree personally, as someone said earlier, they made a good/solid pairing for a season or 2 but i still don't think that made them World class. In theory, any team having 2 WC CB's and a WC forward all at their peak, and good players around them would have won something, anything imo.
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In that position, you're looking at the likes of VVD, Ferdinand, Beckenbauer, Ramos, Cannavaro, Nesta, Baresi. You just can't put Verts and Toby anywhere near that lot. Brilliant partnership but not in the same league.
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VVD is nowhere in the same class as a peak Toby. He had one good season.
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VVD's 'one good season' at Liverpool eclipses Toby's career at Spurs. Anyway he was decent at Celtic and Southampton before Liverpool. VVD was the player of the season in the league last season and I have not seen an impact of one player at a club since Kante moved to Leicester.
I don't why I am wasting my time with this Sandy fool LOL