Does this team lack bottle?

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
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Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?


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I don't believe either Madrid team (bearing in mind they've just won their league and finished 2nd) were all that, in regards to the hunger or skill level when they played us.

I think TT had a longer than usual (WBA aside) honeymoon period than most managers have.

But I'll also ask you a question. So give this squad all the exact technical abilities the 2012 squad had, does it come back from 2-0 down with 10 men against Pep's Barcelona?

I don't think so.

I don't think going even further back and still having the same technical ability man for man as 08 team, it would survive that initial 20 minutes or so in Moscow.

Based on our 2 "cup finals" this season and even the one we lost under Super Frank, I genuinely fear for us on Saturday, because in spite what the "stats" say, I don't think we really turned up or played well in any of them. And I don't think neither Leicester nor Villa played particularly well in 2 of those matches neither.

But we are gonna have to agree to differ, as we really aren't going to change each other's opinion on this one.

The only ones capable of changing my opinion are the players themselves.

comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 8 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
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Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?


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I don't believe either Madrid team (bearing in mind they've just won their league and finished 2nd) were all that, in regards to the hunger or skill level when they played us.

I think TT had a longer than usual (WBA aside) honeymoon period than most managers have.

But I'll also ask you a question. So give this squad all the exact technical abilities the 2012 squad had, does it come back from 2-0 down with 10 men against Pep's Barcelona?

I don't think so.

I don't think going even further back and still having the same technical ability man for man as 08 team, it would survive that initial 20 minutes or so in Moscow.

Based on our 2 "cup finals" this season and even the one we lost under Super Frank, I genuinely fear for us on Saturday, because in spite what the "stats" say, I don't think we really turned up or played well in any of them. And I don't think neither Leicester nor Villa played particularly well in 2 of those matches neither.
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It doesn't come back because the team doesn't have the ability to score many goals, not because its mentally weak.

In most matches this season we have created loads of chances to score from a losing position, we just can't finish.

And its irrelevant that Real Madrid our not the best RM teal for sometime....that team was full of experience and savvy players who know how to grind out wins (not unlike our own 2012 CL winning team)

And I don't understand how fans can't see that this team has massively overachieved in getting to a CL final this season. I must missed the memo at the start of the season that we were favourites to win the CL this season.

comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
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Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?


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I don't believe either Madrid team (bearing in mind they've just won their league and finished 2nd) were all that, in regards to the hunger or skill level when they played us.

I think TT had a longer than usual (WBA aside) honeymoon period than most managers have.

But I'll also ask you a question. So give this squad all the exact technical abilities the 2012 squad had, does it come back from 2-0 down with 10 men against Pep's Barcelona?

I don't think so.

I don't think going even further back and still having the same technical ability man for man as 08 team, it would survive that initial 20 minutes or so in Moscow.

Based on our 2 "cup finals" this season and even the one we lost under Super Frank, I genuinely fear for us on Saturday, because in spite what the "stats" say, I don't think we really turned up or played well in any of them. And I don't think neither Leicester nor Villa played particularly well in 2 of those matches neither.
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Man City away was a cup final and Leicester at home was a cup final. I can pick and choose my games too if it suits.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 8 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
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Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?


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I don't believe either Madrid team (bearing in mind they've just won their league and finished 2nd) were all that, in regards to the hunger or skill level when they played us.

I think TT had a longer than usual (WBA aside) honeymoon period than most managers have.

But I'll also ask you a question. So give this squad all the exact technical abilities the 2012 squad had, does it come back from 2-0 down with 10 men against Pep's Barcelona?

I don't think so.

I don't think going even further back and still having the same technical ability man for man as 08 team, it would survive that initial 20 minutes or so in Moscow.

Based on our 2 "cup finals" this season and even the one we lost under Super Frank, I genuinely fear for us on Saturday, because in spite what the "stats" say, I don't think we really turned up or played well in any of them. And I don't think neither Leicester nor Villa played particularly well in 2 of those matches neither.
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It doesn't come back because the team doesn't have the ability to score many goals, not because its mentally weak.

In most matches this season we have created loads of chances to score from a losing position, we just can't finish.

And its irrelevant that Real Madrid our not the best RM teal for sometime....that team was full of experience and savvy players who know how to grind out wins (not unlike our own 2012 CL winning team)

And I don't understand how fans can't see that this team has massively overachieved in getting to a CL final this season. I must missed the memo at the start of the season that we were favourites to win the CL this season.
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Actually we've finished loads...trouble is basic requirements like having to be onside at the time have hindered us somewhat

and TT needs to address this

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?


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I don't believe either Madrid team (bearing in mind they've just won their league and finished 2nd) were all that, in regards to the hunger or skill level when they played us.

I think TT had a longer than usual (WBA aside) honeymoon period than most managers have.

But I'll also ask you a question. So give this squad all the exact technical abilities the 2012 squad had, does it come back from 2-0 down with 10 men against Pep's Barcelona?

I don't think so.

I don't think going even further back and still having the same technical ability man for man as 08 team, it would survive that initial 20 minutes or so in Moscow.

Based on our 2 "cup finals" this season and even the one we lost under Super Frank, I genuinely fear for us on Saturday, because in spite what the "stats" say, I don't think we really turned up or played well in any of them. And I don't think neither Leicester nor Villa played particularly well in 2 of those matches neither.
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Man City away was a cup final and Leicester at home was a cup final. I can pick and choose my games too if it suits.
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But then I could say could argue a lot the chances we've not taken were chances we should have scored but the personnel missing the chances isn't as confident as their post match interviews imply, when in front of goal. That could be argued as mentally weak...if it suits.

I chose those matches because 2 of them were cup finals the other was a final match, with a match or better the the 2 teams below us results.

But as I say, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this, because as I say the only people on this earth with the power to change my opinion on this are the players themselves.

If I made a comparison from another sport.....Jimmy White.

Whilst some would say he always played a better opponent in his 6 world finals. No! The year he lost 18-17 he was playing a man with a dislocated shoulder and missed a "routine" colour in that final frame.

Werner missed an open goal from an inch out, that made an ex Pool striker's miss look like a difficult chance. That wasn't bad finishing, that was a guy so low on confidence and lacking the mental toughness to turn his then situation around imo.

If Werner was mentally weak he would hide like Morata did, but he hasn't hidden, despite his crap finishing he is still our most important attacking player....which is scary but true.

Top scorer is Jorghinio with 7 goals. That says it all that anyone needs to know as to what the problem is with this team. It ain't nothing to do with mental toughness. there is no evidence at all supporting this latest popular social media trend

Couldn't fault our bottle and application to the task yesterday...Pep and City...well there's certainly questions to be asked...dreadful from them