Here's a can of worms before the Qatar World Cup....
Qatar-based broadcaster beIN Media Group has been criticised after the former Egypt international Mohamed Aboutrika, one of the station’s best-known pundits, said homosexuality “is against human nature" and called for Muslim footballers to boycott the Premier League’s Rainbow Laces campaign.
Aboutrika, 43, said that homosexuality was not ‘compatible’ with Islam live on beIN Sports, which broadcasts live Premier League matches in the Middle East and North Africa.
“This phenomenon is not only against Muslim nature but it’s against human nature," he said. “Allah says in the Quran that we have to honor the children of Adam but by doing this homosexuality we are not honoring humans, we are humiliating them."
A Premier League spokesperson meanwhile told The Athletic: “We wholeheartedly disagree with the pundit’s views. The Premier League and it’s clubs are committed to supporting LGBTQ+ inclusion and making clear football is for everyone."
Aboutrika’s comments were on Tuesday criticised by FARE, an anti-discrimination network in football.
“So disappointing to see Egyptian legend Mohamed Aboutrika dismissing the Premier League’s Rainbow Laces campaign and using theological positions to do so," the organisation tweeted. “No challenge from beIN Sports. He was given space to deny the rights and existence of a community."
beIN: homosexuality is against human nature
posted on 1/12/21
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It is uniquely liberal, as the civil rights of homosexuals are different.
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Really...what do they get that straights don't...& how should we redress the balance
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well...i'm no expert...but looks like it's going to hurt
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No need to go in dry. 😶
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Spit n polish.
How you doin?
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Fookin sheite, mate! 🤣
How's you?
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Alright.....got lots of garden and painting jobs on top of civil service boredom work and looking forward to Christmas.Chelsea looking good too.
How is your work and residence situation.?
posted on 1/12/21
On the OP
Qatar getting the world cup sums up modern life and fifa and football, sadly.
posted on 1/12/21
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I think it can be because of the way it’s being presented. I think the issue liberalism has in this respect is that it has to hold itself to a higher moral, intellectual and consistent standard, because they are central tenets to its thinking.
I think other schools of thought can sit more comfortably with inconsistency in moral and intellectual thought. Whether that’s right or not it does represent a problem for liberal thinking.
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Good post.
The modern liberal conflict/debate between elements of feminism and trans activism highlights the quandary for liberals, or how to view islamism, from a liberal perspective?
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I don’t think contemporary Islamism is any kind of a challenge for liberalist analysis. It’s unconscionable.
Show me a liberal defending contemporary Islamism.
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I'm trying to untangle your logic here, Jinja. Are you using this primates example to support what Mohamed Aboutrika said?
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To be fair, what he said might not be acceptable in the west but the country he lives in and a lot of other countries, Muslim or not probably share his views. Even China is against it and that's one of the biggest atheist country in the world. Saying that sometimes you need to be careful what you say to the media as it will be scrutinised to the fullest, especially anything related to LGBT.
In the west, homosexuality and transgenderism etc might be considered as normal and acceptable (and that's only the past 20 years), but in a lot of other countries, they see this as shameful and immoral.
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I think both your geography and your history might be a little off there.
As pointed out above, at various points through ancient and modern history, societies all over the world have been very accepting of homosexuality and homosexual relationships, including in Islamic states. It isn’t only in the West in the “past 20 years”.
The same can be said of trans history, which documented is 6,500 years old.
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Yes that is true and I'm not disputing that. I'm not saying this wasn't practiced in the old age and its a new thing. Its even mentioned in religious books like the Bible and Quran humans had been practicing homosexuality, for example the story of Sodom. And its religion that forbade the act because it was seen as immoral and shameful, and since then it become seen as that and not acceptable by majority until recently. There were a lot of things humans did centuries ago that were later forbidden by religion and that's why prophets were sent to guide people (if you believe in this stuff), but that's a debate for another day. Gay people in this country weren't exactly treated that well in the 70s, 80s and 90s here were they?
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We were not that liberal in the uk or ireland, but the west is best, with regard to tolerance, liberal democracy, freedom, diversity, live and let live.
Far from perfect, and much of it could be apathy and indifferece, but we have moved on.
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You alright mucka? Long time. Hope all is well.
I'm not disagreeing with your point completely, one west is best, however would you not say that people in the west generally cherry pick the cause?
posted on 2/12/21
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I’ll be interested to hear what FIFA think about this.
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That will depend on how much money is available to support the view or reject it. Not that there is anything corrupt about FIFA, obviously.........
posted on 2/12/21
Well, FIFA sanctioned Mexico at the start of this month, banning fans from attending the men’s team’s next two World Cup qualifying home matches and fining the national federation almost $110,000 for spectators’ persistent use of homophobic chants.
As they're setting precedents, I'll be interested to see their statement about Qatar as well, although like Bomdia says, a quiet word in exchange for another brown envelope will probably be enough.
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posted on 16/12/21
Hadn't read this thread before....
Luckily for us England officially has no gay footballers...so this should not affect us....
I'd still rather we boycotted this farce though
posted on 20/12/21
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comment by Der Post Nearly Mann (U1270)
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I'm trying to untangle your logic here, Jinja. Are you using this primates example to support what Mohamed Aboutrika said?
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To be fair, what he said might not be acceptable in the west but the country he lives in and a lot of other countries, Muslim or not probably share his views. Even China is against it and that's one of the biggest atheist country in the world. Saying that sometimes you need to be careful what you say to the media as it will be scrutinised to the fullest, especially anything related to LGBT.
In the west, homosexuality and transgenderism etc might be considered as normal and acceptable (and that's only the past 20 years), but in a lot of other countries, they see this as shameful and immoral.
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I think both your geography and your history might be a little off there.
As pointed out above, at various points through ancient and modern history, societies all over the world have been very accepting of homosexuality and homosexual relationships, including in Islamic states. It isn’t only in the West in the “past 20 years”.
The same can be said of trans history, which documented is 6,500 years old.
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Yes that is true and I'm not disputing that. I'm not saying this wasn't practiced in the old age and its a new thing. Its even mentioned in religious books like the Bible and Quran humans had been practicing homosexuality, for example the story of Sodom. And its religion that forbade the act because it was seen as immoral and shameful, and since then it become seen as that and not acceptable by majority until recently. There were a lot of things humans did centuries ago that were later forbidden by religion and that's why prophets were sent to guide people (if you believe in this stuff), but that's a debate for another day. Gay people in this country weren't exactly treated that well in the 70s, 80s and 90s here were they?
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We were not that liberal in the uk or ireland, but the west is best, with regard to tolerance, liberal democracy, freedom, diversity, live and let live.
Far from perfect, and much of it could be apathy and indifferece, but we have moved on.
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You alright mucka? Long time. Hope all is well.
I'm not disagreeing with your point completely, one west is best, however would you not say that people in the west generally cherry pick the cause?
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Defoe mate, so it is.