Celtic court case

They certainly have...but there are some out there, me included, that feel your club could have done more than it could have.

There are Celtic fans on this post, that think the exact same

I've never been one to indulge in any of this stuff for point scoring, and never will be....but if your club does the right thing now, it will go a long way for many, not least the victims, who more than most, I hope they get what they want out of this

Idiots will be idiots, you can't change that

But please don't sit there and tell me that stopping this from running on for decades through being proactive and doing something sooner, would not have changed anything

Of course it would have

There are Celtic fans on this post, that think the exact same
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I know. I’m one of them and have been every time this comes up.

Idiots will be idiots, you can't change that
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Exactly. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Nothing Celtic should have done would have stopped the kind of people that shout ‘pedos’ at other people from shouting ‘pedos’ at other people. And it contradicts your next point anyway.

This would run on anyway. It *will* run on anyway. That’s the nature of the OF. Do you think the loon Celtic fringes will ever think Rangers have been punished enough for the pre-2012 stuff? Of course they won’t. They’ll be ‘newco’ing and ‘the Rangers’ing for years and years and years to come.

As will the loon Rangers fringes with this. It’s THEIR fault they shout ‘pedos’ at innocent people. Their fault. Not Celtic’s. That’s why you’re making excuses.

<you really can't blame some folk for throwing mud constantly at an organisation>


Jesus Christ.

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
I accept your point that it would have made no difference with some people

However, it would have made a difference for some people, so again, I think my point is valid

If you give people with an agenda against your club ammunition, it will be fired

A refusal to accept that is naive
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I don't think celtic getting this dealt with years ago would have impacted any on the types pointy is referring to. They hide behind support for the victims as a means to show themselves as superior characters to celtic supporters. These people are more concerned with "how can folks take their kids to watch games at a crime scene?" etc and still wear Hugo boss, watch Disney and drive ford's or whatever without any moral wrongdoing on their own character and brush off any mentions of Rangers not exactly blemish free part in this as false equivalences.

They don't care about the victims and if Celtic are done for this will only care about sanctions on celtic such as demotion or title stripping etc. How this helps abused kids I'm at a loss for.

I don't want to be mistaken as an apologist for the abusers as some on likes of follow follow might claim this is. It's not, it's a revulsion to those that revel in this being a stain on celtic. Handling this sooner or better or whatever wouldn't make a difference to the types I mean here. Had this been Dundee or Dunfermline or Farsley Celtic they'd barely be aware it happened.

I hope the people involved get punished severely and live to see their crimes exposed for everyone to see. Whoever they are.

comment by PointyBirds (U21890)
posted 11 hours, 49 minutes ago
There are Celtic fans on this post, that think the exact same
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I know. I’m one of them and have been every time this comes up.

Idiots will be idiots, you can't change that
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Exactly. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Nothing Celtic should have done would have stopped the kind of people that shout ‘pedos’ at other people from shouting ‘pedos’ at other people. And it contradicts your next point anyway.

This would run on anyway. It *will* run on anyway. That’s the nature of the OF. Do you think the loon Celtic fringes will ever think Rangers have been punished enough for the pre-2012 stuff? Of course they won’t. They’ll be ‘newco’ing and ‘the Rangers’ing for years and years and years to come.

As will the loon Rangers fringes with this. It’s THEIR fault they shout ‘pedos’ at innocent people. Their fault. Not Celtic’s. That’s why you’re making excuses.
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Your response is constantly “folk shout pedo”

There are others ways that people criticise your club over this

The term “sweep sweep” for example, only exists as a stick to beat Celtic with, because of this whole affair

Only reason that is even the truth, is because of the notion that this was being swept under the carpet and buried in the hope that it would never rear its head again.

Sadly it has

If all you ever want to talk about is idiots shouting pedo, you crack on, I have no interest in them….but I still won’t retract my point your club left itself open to criticism through its actions, or lack thereof

I’m done on this topic, it’s not something I really want to sit and argue over

‘ I’m done on this topic, it’s not something I really want to sit and argue over’

I think that’s been your best contribution to this thread.

<I’m done on this topic, it’s not something I really want to sit and argue over>

Good.

Cos when you say <Not giving anyone an excuse for anything>.

And then go on to say <you really can't blame some folk>.

It gets confusing for an auld guy.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 21 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’ve tried to avoid what has been going on from other fans, but it’s clear that there is a group who probably are concerned about csa, but their agenda is clear as it’s aimed at Celtic, and outwith that their only comments have been about anything that happens in the Catholic Church. They’ve set up their own ‘spotlight’ team to focus on Celtic, and that’s up to them.

It seems as if it’s been more of an issue at Celtic than other clubs-as far as I’m aware. I seriously doubt it’s been isolated to us though, and any mention outwith that and blame is apportioned elsewhere to mitigate, and dubious actions taken cited.

I just want this dealt with, and maybe the people directly affected can get some closure on it. I’d rather that happened sooner than later for all concerned.
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Think the main difference is that it has been highlighted in a small number of clubs down south who have reacted very quickly and come to settlements.

We’ve played to separate legal identity card which has understandably upset and angered so many people. It’s now looking like that will come back to but us very hard so I get why “some” will want a harsher punishment in the public eye.

To many outsiders without a single clue about the affect it has on people whatever comes down will never be enough.
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From what I can tell there are still a number of cases that are rumbling on down south.

The link below details the situation wrt the child rapist Bennell and Manchester City, where I think the jist of the decision is that he was not employed by MCFC at the time the offences took place, and so MCFC couldn’t be held liable.

Barry Bennell: Men lose case against Manchester City over abuse https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-59934051

Similarly the child rapist Roper and Blackpool, think courts in England have concluded (for now) that the club not responsible as abuse took place while at a feeder club, but appeals likely underway

There’s a number of others that are still rumbling on too in England.

Your response is constantly “folk shout pedo”
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Yes. Those are the people I’m talking about.

I thought that was clear. Apologies if not.