good riddance-leaves a nastry taste

there was no "deal making", there was no rule in place for what happened in that scenario, so what was done Masi did what he felt was fairest and since he was stepping in to decide since there was no rule in place, he gave them choice of two options that he think would be the fairest outcomes.

The pressure only came from two teams to restart the race. Like I said thats his job, to block out the noises from the teams and apply the rules.

It has always been the case and always will. throghout the history of the sport its always been like this.

You would seem to be in the minority then cos most of the fans agree the problem was Masi making up a rule, you are the first person I have seen with the angle of the teams were in the wrong and its their fault ultimately for what happened.

The rules are rules and those can do whatever they want to try and get round them, its still the FIA and race directors job to make sure they dont. pushing the limits is part of the sport.

Again, you are missing the point

Masi was at fault....but the teams, FIA, F1, drivers....all asking for certain things to happen in certain situations....that all put Masi in situations where he has to make the call, do what he thinks is right, make the fairest choice

You can't talk about the rulebook being king, when there are things the rulebook doesn't cover, and the race director has to make decisions at his discretion.

In that same vein...how can you have an informal agreement that the race director should do all he can to ensure green flag conditions at the end of a race, when there is nothing in the rule book to say that this should be the case?

Exactly the same logic you are talking about applied in Abu Dhabi...Masi did what he thought was the fairest, and was also in line with the informal agreement that he had with the teams, drivers etc.....that was his job, and that was the job everyone was happy with him for doing, until he made a huge mistake

I am not saying Masi didn't make things up.....it's the fact the blame is solely being laid at his door, and everyone else negating themselves of all and any responsibility

Why the hell was Toto asking Masi not to send the safety car out in Abu Dhabi? Toto knows the rules, yet he's actively asking the race director to ignore them to his benefit.....why is that even allowed to happen and why isn't Toto, or anyone, getting reprimanded for this kind of stuff??

Was the same thinking, and same attitude from everyone behind the whole informal agreement about ending races under green flag conditions

To ignore this, and basically say that it had no bearing on proceedings whatsoever, and it was all just Masi not doing his job properly.......is just folly

the rules that have been agreed upon are king. no ifs no buts if there is a rule agreed upon certain circumstances

You are comapring a sceanrio that has rules in place for it to a scenario that had no rule in place. they are not comparable.

The blame is soley at the door of Masi, he made the call. He has to be able to deal with having teams in his ear cos thats part of the job. Teams are always gonna try and and wangle things to their advantage. same as pretty much any walk of life.

Football for eg..... a calls a foul, its not a red card offence but the opposition surround them, the fans all shout and then the ref wrongly decides to send of the player. The ref is the one at fault here not the players , not the fans. The refs job includes making the correct decisions whilst under pressure.

What was Toto doing you say ... he was trying to gain an advantage.

the whole time you are comparing a sceanrio that has a rule in place to a scenario that has no rule in place and thinking they are the same.

If there is no rule in place Masi has to figure out what to do, if there is a rule in place his job is to make sure that rule is followed. he didnt, he was wrong, he got fired, he made an ar$e of it.

There is no rule against the teams saying what they want to happen , until there is they are free to do so hence why need someone that can make the correct calls when they matter most.

Why is there an informal agreement to try and get races to finish under a green flag when there are black and white rules there to be followed, within which, nothing is mentioned about making an effort to get races restarted under the green flag

If the rules are the rules...why is that even a topic for conversation

If it's what people want to happen...the rules should be in place to allow it to happen

You can continue arguing your point...I wholly understand what you are saying.....I just find it hard to accept that people are laying all of this at Masi's door when all this was going on around about him

If the sport wants things to happen...change the rules to make it happen

As said again....they are still talking about races ending under safety cars not really being wanted, but fck all rules have been changed to stop it from happening

You talk about football

What informal agreement do teams, players, managers, football associations and governing bodies have with their referees to try and handle games in a certain manner? To try and let the game flow and not stop it too much for fouls too often? To try and not send players off as it might ruin the game

If you maybe try and understand that point, you might understand the situation that Masi was being put in

As said again....they are still talking about races ending under safety cars not really being wanted, but fck all rules have been changed to stop it from happening

there is a rule in place... if the track is safe to race and gets the ok from the marshalls then they race, if its not they finish under safety car.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
As said again....they are still talking about races ending under safety cars not really being wanted, but fck all rules have been changed to stop it from happening

there is a rule in place... if the track is safe to race and gets the ok from the marshalls then they race, if its not they finish under safety car.
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Yet they have an informal agreement to avoid ending races under the safety car if it can at all be avoided

Why not change the rules to ensure it doesn't happen if that's what they want, rather than leaving it in the hands of the race director to try and decide what the best thing to do is?

It's utter nonsense

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
As said again....they are still talking about races ending under safety cars not really being wanted, but fck all rules have been changed to stop it from happening

there is a rule in place... if the track is safe to race and gets the ok from the marshalls then they race, if its not they finish under safety car.
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Yet they have an informal agreement to avoid ending races under the safety car if it can at all be avoided

Why not change the rules to ensure it doesn't happen if that's what they want, rather than leaving it in the hands of the race director to try and decide what the best thing to do is?

It's utter nonsense
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I told you the rule dunno why you wont accept it ....

the rule is if it safe enough to race the last lap then race the last lap.

it used to be if the safety car is out within a certain amount of laps to the end then they end the race behind the safety car. it was thought it could ruin the racing to have it happen so close to the end of the race. they didnt think it was fair that a driver could have 50 secs lead and lose it all in on the last lap.

It was changed cos teams then knew it could be manipulated to create an advantage so they agreed that if possible finish the race under greens ONLY IF its safe to do so as per the rules.

I really dont know what your argiung... you have agreed that Masi was wrong and therefore deserves to be sacked, he made an ar$e of it and ruined the championship creating a huge black mark for the sport.

is your point that teams shouldnt be able to speak or say anything cos it could influence the race director?
Id argue that as race director not a single word the other teams say should influence any decision, there person in place should be capable of this.

Is your point that informal agreements should supersede rules?

My point is there shouldn't be any informal agreements...if they want races to end under green flag conditions, at all times...the rules need to be changed so that is what happens...there no need for the race director to come up with something, or "do his best" to ensure it happens

Even after that farce in Abu Dhabi...the rules still haven't been changed, and as you say, races can still end under the safety car.....this is something no-one within the sport wants, yet they continue to race under rules that allow it to happen

They need to agree on what they want to do and change the rules to ensure this doesn't happen, given it's what they want and have done for years.....yet they continue to have this stupid informal agreement with the race director to do what exactly???

If the rules are the rules, the race director should follow them....if everyone doesn't want the inevitable safety car ending, change the bloody rules!

Don't put the poor guy in charge under pressure to "do his best to avoid it", it's just idiotic

I dont see a problem with it at all .. I think its the way it should be done.

Traditionally if saftey car is out and there is a few laps left they used to just end the race under the flags.

The teams and the FIA agreed it would be better if we could finish the race under green flags. It would be their preference.

So as it now is if a saftey car is brought out and continues til the latter laps the rule is ..... if its safe to continue and there is a couple laps left then they go racing again as it was agreed the teams would rather go racing again.

All this ONLY applies if rules prior are adhered to. Which i think is car removed safely from the track, barriers are intact and debry has been removed, so assuming all that has been done then as per the teams preference we go racing again for the last two laps.