Klopp needs to work out if he can rely on our experienced players for the rest of the season . The only ones who are performing are Allison , Thiago , Matip and Jota Of the new boys Diaz and Nunez are doing fine . The 2 kids are just that and need time . Of the rest salah fab Virgil and Trent have been really poor and hendo and Bobby look their age
So what next I would play Gomez RB and Trent in right midfield occasionally
I would drop Virgil and play konate . I don’t like the formation change and would go back to a 3 ( clear we need new faces soon ) we need to be hard to score against and build some confidence. Team for rangers -
Gomez konate Matip and kostas. Midfield Thiago fab and Elliot and then Bobby jota and Nunez up top
Depending on who comes through that ok will determine team for city
Really needs to wake a few of them up
What next ?
posted on 9/10/22
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
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It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
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Agreed 👍
That's the philosophy that has been in place for the past 7 years - a great manager and intelligent transfers can get you somewhere. For a while at least.
However, it seems that many 'fans' want owners that are going to obliterate Man City's spending and buy success.
It's never going to happen and it's churlish to think that any other strategy could have served us better with the personnel and finances at our disposal.
I've never seen corporate ownership of a football club that has actually listened and responded to fans' opinions as much as FSG.
FSG out? Who would you like to replace them?
posted on 9/10/22
We were never going to win that game today just like we have no hope in hell next weekend either. We did make a better fist of it than I expected and there were certainly some encourgaing signs at the top end of the pitch with jota nunez and diaz all looking sharp. But we will go nowhere with this defence at present. Our right hand side is just shocking.
Weve 6 league games before the world cup break. Right now you have to just hope we can win 4 of them and also progress in the champions league then maybe the squad resets during the break. Most of the squad wont be playing big roles at the world cup.
I still think we will eventually get things right with the quality we have but the leagues gone and if it takes much longer to turn top 4 may be out of reach too.
posted on 9/10/22
Diaz injury could be a bad one.
I fully expect a spanking next week but as TAA not playing it won't be 6 or 7.
Think we need to go woth all the main players versus rangers as CL had to take priority now.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
----------------------------------------------------------
It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
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Agreed 👍
That's the philosophy that has been in place for the past 7 years - a great manager and intelligent transfers can get you somewhere. For a while at least.
However, it seems that many 'fans' want owners that are going to obliterate Man City's spending and buy success.
It's never going to happen and it's churlish to think that any other strategy could have served us better with the personnel and finances at our disposal.
I've never seen corporate ownership of a football club that has actually listened and responded to fans' opinions as much as FSG.
FSG out? Who would you like to replace them?
------------------------------------------------------
There is a middle ground between buying the league & reasonably backing your manager especially when you're in a position of strength. I saw this multiple times at Chelsea under Abramovich. We'd stop pumping money into the squad after we reached the pinnacle & a year or two later go 'oh sh!t, we've lost a step, better invest again'
I'm sure there's much worse owners than FSG but they 100% take Klopp for granted. Getting in those two surplus CB's the year you had that injury crisis in defence sums it up. They know more often than not Klopp will turn anything into gold so they don't bother.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
----------------------------------------------------------
It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed 👍
That's the philosophy that has been in place for the past 7 years - a great manager and intelligent transfers can get you somewhere. For a while at least.
However, it seems that many 'fans' want owners that are going to obliterate Man City's spending and buy success.
It's never going to happen and it's churlish to think that any other strategy could have served us better with the personnel and finances at our disposal.
I've never seen corporate ownership of a football club that has actually listened and responded to fans' opinions as much as FSG.
FSG out? Who would you like to replace them?
------------------------------------------------------
There is a middle ground between buying the league & reasonably backing your manager especially when you're in a position of strength. I saw this multiple times at Chelsea under Abramovich. We'd stop pumping money into the squad after we reached the pinnacle & a year or two later go 'oh sh!t, we've lost a step, better invest again'
I'm sure there's much worse owners than FSG but they 100% take Klopp for granted. Getting in those two surplus CB's the year you had that injury crisis in defence sums it up. They know more often than not Klopp will turn anything into gold so they don't bother.
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I'm not sure why Liverpool's spending (or perceived lack of it) is a surprise to anyone. It's always been FSG's philosophy and I have no doubt they realise that Klopp has over achieved with the money and players at his disposal.
Chelsea, Utd and City have spent far more on players and wages over the past 20 years and should be streets ahead. Arsenal have also spent a massive amount in recent years but that seems to go under the radar.
So my point remains - what do (these fickle) Liverpool fans really expect? You want an oligarch owner who pumps billions into the club and buys success?
I'd prefer to stick to our current approach of fiscal responsibility and hard-earned rewards.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
----------------------------------------------------------
It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed 👍
That's the philosophy that has been in place for the past 7 years - a great manager and intelligent transfers can get you somewhere. For a while at least.
However, it seems that many 'fans' want owners that are going to obliterate Man City's spending and buy success.
It's never going to happen and it's churlish to think that any other strategy could have served us better with the personnel and finances at our disposal.
I've never seen corporate ownership of a football club that has actually listened and responded to fans' opinions as much as FSG.
FSG out? Who would you like to replace them?
------------------------------------------------------
There is a middle ground between buying the league & reasonably backing your manager especially when you're in a position of strength. I saw this multiple times at Chelsea under Abramovich. We'd stop pumping money into the squad after we reached the pinnacle & a year or two later go 'oh sh!t, we've lost a step, better invest again'
I'm sure there's much worse owners than FSG but they 100% take Klopp for granted. Getting in those two surplus CB's the year you had that injury crisis in defence sums it up. They know more often than not Klopp will turn anything into gold so they don't bother.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure why Liverpool's spending (or perceived lack of it) is a surprise to anyone. It's always been FSG's philosophy and I have no doubt they realise that Klopp has over achieved with the money and players at his disposal.
Chelsea, Utd and City have spent far more on players and wages over the past 20 years and should be streets ahead. Arsenal have also spent a massive amount in recent years but that seems to go under the radar.
So my point remains - what do (these fickle) Liverpool fans really expect? You want an oligarch owner who pumps billions into the club and buys success?
I'd prefer to stick to our current approach of fiscal responsibility and hard-earned rewards.
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Hard earned rewards.
First of all in the premier league era, of the Traditional top teams you have the worst transfer record. You can’t Annex the Houlier and Benitez spending disasters from history.
Secondly You spend as much money as all the teams in and around Top 4. In fact you spend more. The only thing that made you come out smelling like roses was the Coutinho cash and Solanke and a few over priced sales.
Your recruitment is overrated and your forward planning is shocking.
There is a reason why Klopp took over a club with Benteke and Sakho and that’s because you have never really been a good club in the transfer market.
Only reason you have won the little you have is Klopp. Stop praising FSG as if there are some money ball top management group.
posted on 10/10/22
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
----------------------------------------------------------
It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
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Hit the nail on the head. FSG found the only manager who could set up a system to make their sell to buy strategy work. Certainly in terms of winning the Premier League at the expense of Man City.
It’s very simplistic to criticise fans for pointing this out because essentially it’s the reason the wheels have fallen off. The squads burnt out with only a handful of players performing to what’s required to compete at the top. We have injuries all over and went and signed a well known crock to shore up our squad at the last moment.
Not only is the squad broken but so is FSGs strategy and rather fear it will end up with Klopp walking away from the club.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
----------------------------------------------------------
It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed 👍
That's the philosophy that has been in place for the past 7 years - a great manager and intelligent transfers can get you somewhere. For a while at least.
However, it seems that many 'fans' want owners that are going to obliterate Man City's spending and buy success.
It's never going to happen and it's churlish to think that any other strategy could have served us better with the personnel and finances at our disposal.
I've never seen corporate ownership of a football club that has actually listened and responded to fans' opinions as much as FSG.
FSG out? Who would you like to replace them?
------------------------------------------------------
There is a middle ground between buying the league & reasonably backing your manager especially when you're in a position of strength. I saw this multiple times at Chelsea under Abramovich. We'd stop pumping money into the squad after we reached the pinnacle & a year or two later go 'oh sh!t, we've lost a step, better invest again'
I'm sure there's much worse owners than FSG but they 100% take Klopp for granted. Getting in those two surplus CB's the year you had that injury crisis in defence sums it up. They know more often than not Klopp will turn anything into gold so they don't bother.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure why Liverpool's spending (or perceived lack of it) is a surprise to anyone. It's always been FSG's philosophy and I have no doubt they realise that Klopp has over achieved with the money and players at his disposal.
Chelsea, Utd and City have spent far more on players and wages over the past 20 years and should be streets ahead. Arsenal have also spent a massive amount in recent years but that seems to go under the radar.
So my point remains - what do (these fickle) Liverpool fans really expect? You want an oligarch owner who pumps billions into the club and buys success?
I'd prefer to stick to our current approach of fiscal responsibility and hard-earned rewards.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
You're not listening, there's a middle ground but FSG seem to have no interest in finding it because Klopp gives them the luxury of not having too to satisfy fans like you.
When he leaves, unless they change tac (which is possible) you'll realize how inept they are without that shield. And you'll look back at Klopp's tenure & despite the successes still have regrets because of what a missed opportunity it was to have a 2nd great, trophy laden era in your history.
posted on 10/10/22
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Jimbo Jones (U21756)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 15 minutes ago
Everyone knows the FSG philosophy - buy players cheap, develop them, sell them at their peak. Rinse and repeat.
No one complains when it's working.
----------------------------------------------------------
It works because you have someone called Jurgen Klopp who makes it work. Remove him & watch how successful that strategy will be
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed 👍
That's the philosophy that has been in place for the past 7 years - a great manager and intelligent transfers can get you somewhere. For a while at least.
However, it seems that many 'fans' want owners that are going to obliterate Man City's spending and buy success.
It's never going to happen and it's churlish to think that any other strategy could have served us better with the personnel and finances at our disposal.
I've never seen corporate ownership of a football club that has actually listened and responded to fans' opinions as much as FSG.
FSG out? Who would you like to replace them?
------------------------------------------------------
There is a middle ground between buying the league & reasonably backing your manager especially when you're in a position of strength. I saw this multiple times at Chelsea under Abramovich. We'd stop pumping money into the squad after we reached the pinnacle & a year or two later go 'oh sh!t, we've lost a step, better invest again'
I'm sure there's much worse owners than FSG but they 100% take Klopp for granted. Getting in those two surplus CB's the year you had that injury crisis in defence sums it up. They know more often than not Klopp will turn anything into gold so they don't bother.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not sure why Liverpool's spending (or perceived lack of it) is a surprise to anyone. It's always been FSG's philosophy and I have no doubt they realise that Klopp has over achieved with the money and players at his disposal.
Chelsea, Utd and City have spent far more on players and wages over the past 20 years and should be streets ahead. Arsenal have also spent a massive amount in recent years but that seems to go under the radar.
So my point remains - what do (these fickle) Liverpool fans really expect? You want an oligarch owner who pumps billions into the club and buys success?
I'd prefer to stick to our current approach of fiscal responsibility and hard-earned rewards.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
You're not listening, there's a middle ground but FSG seem to have no interest in finding it because Klopp gives them the luxury of not having too to satisfy fans like you.
When he leaves, unless they change tac (which is possible) you'll realize how inept they are without that shield. And you'll look back at Klopp's tenure & despite the successes still have regrets because of what a missed opportunity it was to have a 2nd great, trophy laden era in your history.
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100%
posted on 10/10/22
I do agree with the regret part. We were always a player or two short of really getting over the line in some competitions. Had we signed Diaz in summer rather than January I dare say we might have won the league.