Always the bridesmaid?

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comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 9 hours, 12 minutes ago
With respect, this thread makes no sense with the new stadium and everything. We're in a grate position. Even with sh!tty owners not pouring their own money in we'll be a top side. More important than the billionaire is the chairman actually hiring good managers with a proper strategy.
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We were told the stadium would bring us the money to spend on better quality players - has this happened?

We were told CL would bring us better players - has this happened?

We were told having a “World Class Manager” would bring better players.

And then, at the same time, lots of fans say “oh we can’t compete with the Citys and Liverpools and Utds”.

So what exactly is going on? Because our squad is poor
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You being ironic?

Did you know that Joe Lewis is no longer registered as a "person of significant control" so potentially he is not having much say in Spurs anymore.

But with the American owners at United and Liverpool looking to sell, both having put not one penny of their own money into the club, it makes you think whether this sort of ownership is a good thing. Really they have acted no differently from Levy/Lewis and in actual fact you could say that L&L have been transformative at THFC if you look at what we had, what we were when they arrived and where we are now. Yes, we havent won trophies but that is not entirely their fault. They have made some poor managerial decisions, both in hiring and firing but once you get over the fact that they aint sugar daddies, what they have done for the club is quite something. You certainly cannot say that of the Glazers. Liverpool have been very well run and their owners have got the appointments 100% right. They havent splashed the cash, they just have the right people in the right places making decisions. This has worked for them but you can see now that without the big big bucks they cannot sustain it, hence the owners looking for new investment/buyers.

People have to be careful what they wish for as what is clearly evident that what is important is the structure the clubs put in place, not necessarily how much they spend. City spend well but they have an exemplar off-pitch structure, Liverpool are not far off but without the huge sums needed to keep pace every season. United have those huge sums but the structure is a mess.

Spurs are getting there. The DoF, the scouting, the manager, the academy, they are starting to deliver.

Those questioning where the money is need only look at our spending pre-new stadium and post new-stadium. The difference is night and day, as is our wage bill which is also much increased. Those questioning why we didnt buy a RWB CB and AM in the summer need to reflect that that is probebly another £150m and if the right people are not available then, then perhaps its best to wait until they are. LFC did that with VVD. City did it with Kane. We should not be criticised for not rushing our and spending massive sums on Plan C D or E, when what we really want is Plan A or B. Thats how you end up with the likes of Sisokko !

These things do not happen overnight. We are building something and it takes a bit of time and money....and yes, we have money but we still have to use it wisely. Liverpool and City do.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours ago
Did you know that Joe Lewis is no longer registered as a "person of significant control" so potentially he is not having much say in Spurs anymore.

But with the American owners at United and Liverpool looking to sell, both having put not one penny of their own money into the club, it makes you think whether this sort of ownership is a good thing. Really they have acted no differently from Levy/Lewis and in actual fact you could say that L&L have been transformative at THFC if you look at what we had, what we were when they arrived and where we are now. Yes, we havent won trophies but that is not entirely their fault. They have made some poor managerial decisions, both in hiring and firing but once you get over the fact that they aint sugar daddies, what they have done for the club is quite something. You certainly cannot say that of the Glazers. Liverpool have been very well run and their owners have got the appointments 100% right. They havent splashed the cash, they just have the right people in the right places making decisions. This has worked for them but you can see now that without the big big bucks they cannot sustain it, hence the owners looking for new investment/buyers.

People have to be careful what they wish for as what is clearly evident that what is important is the structure the clubs put in place, not necessarily how much they spend. City spend well but they have an exemplar off-pitch structure, Liverpool are not far off but without the huge sums needed to keep pace every season. United have those huge sums but the structure is a mess.

Spurs are getting there. The DoF, the scouting, the manager, the academy, they are starting to deliver.

Those questioning where the money is need only look at our spending pre-new stadium and post new-stadium. The difference is night and day, as is our wage bill which is also much increased. Those questioning why we didnt buy a RWB CB and AM in the summer need to reflect that that is probebly another £150m and if the right people are not available then, then perhaps its best to wait until they are. LFC did that with VVD. City did it with Kane. We should not be criticised for not rushing our and spending massive sums on Plan C D or E, when what we really want is Plan A or B. Thats how you end up with the likes of Sisokko !

These things do not happen overnight. We are building something and it takes a bit of time and money....and yes, we have money but we still have to use it wisely. Liverpool and City do.
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Good points made.

I think the fear for me is that I just don't want us to fall behind again when as you have said we have done so much to catch up and place ourselves near the top.

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comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours ago
Did you know that Joe Lewis is no longer registered as a "person of significant control" so potentially he is not having much say in Spurs anymore.

But with the American owners at United and Liverpool looking to sell, both having put not one penny of their own money into the club, it makes you think whether this sort of ownership is a good thing. Really they have acted no differently from Levy/Lewis and in actual fact you could say that L&L have been transformative at THFC if you look at what we had, what we were when they arrived and where we are now. Yes, we havent won trophies but that is not entirely their fault. They have made some poor managerial decisions, both in hiring and firing but once you get over the fact that they aint sugar daddies, what they have done for the club is quite something. You certainly cannot say that of the Glazers. Liverpool have been very well run and their owners have got the appointments 100% right. They havent splashed the cash, they just have the right people in the right places making decisions. This has worked for them but you can see now that without the big big bucks they cannot sustain it, hence the owners looking for new investment/buyers.

People have to be careful what they wish for as what is clearly evident that what is important is the structure the clubs put in place, not necessarily how much they spend. City spend well but they have an exemplar off-pitch structure, Liverpool are not far off but without the huge sums needed to keep pace every season. United have those huge sums but the structure is a mess.

Spurs are getting there. The DoF, the scouting, the manager, the academy, they are starting to deliver.

Those questioning where the money is need only look at our spending pre-new stadium and post new-stadium. The difference is night and day, as is our wage bill which is also much increased. Those questioning why we didnt buy a RWB CB and AM in the summer need to reflect that that is probebly another £150m and if the right people are not available then, then perhaps its best to wait until they are. LFC did that with VVD. City did it with Kane. We should not be criticised for not rushing our and spending massive sums on Plan C D or E, when what we really want is Plan A or B. Thats how you end up with the likes of Sisokko !

These things do not happen overnight. We are building something and it takes a bit of time and money....and yes, we have money but we still have to use it wisely. Liverpool and City do.
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Good points made.

I think the fear for me is that I just don't want us to fall behind again when as you have said we have done so much to catch up and place ourselves near the top.


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I think the key thing is that although we're much better off, we're not "sugar daddy rich" so these things will take a bit of time and will require us to get things right. United have spent a fortune largely on dross and Liverpool have spent much less but be more successful. LFC went from 8th to 4th to 4th to 2nd to champions so it doesnt happen over night and really we've only had 1 full season of the new stadium cash flow, and one year of a rebuilding off the pitch with Paratici etc

I can get impatience for trophies, but ultimately we all know we are a work in progress and need more additions. Some nutters on here wanting Conte out are basically wanting us to go back to square one and slide to the bottom of that curve to start over.

Some of you will remember the “dark days” of Irving Scholar when we had the biggest debt in English football. We were within months of going bust!
Scholar was fortunate that in 1981 & 1982 we won the
FA Cup but behind closed doors the club was in a mess and n 1991 Terry Venables & Alan Sugar bought the club. However it wasn’t until Enic & Daniel Levy bought Spurs that the club started to be run in a proper fiscal manner.

If we achieve some genuine success then it will be fecking well earned and like our shiny stadium whose floors contain crushed concrete from the old WHL, it will be built on 100% Spurs, not the billions of an unpleasant regime trying to gain influence and acceptance, or the ill-gotten gains of a powerful opportunist, or shady financial practices that circumvent the rules most play by. Whatever we achieve we will have built ourselves and I am willing to be patient to see that day come. We have no god given right to success and its even harder to achieve now than it ever has been. Enjoy each moment, every little victory, every step forward because success is the privilege of a few .

BtW, Spurs got planning permission for 850+ houses in N17 today on 2 yards used as compounds for the stadium build. By my reckoning development land worth potentially into 9 figures.

Football as we know it is reaching the end game. Just becoming a rich owner/country plaything. Super League is absolutely inevitable. Fortunately I will be long and gone when money finally crashes and burns the game I love.