Country on its knees

You ever wonder why the richest men in the world are so desperate to get into space? I think they know we've fleeced this planet for all its worth, know that we're doooomed and want to gtf off Earth asap.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
You ever wonder why the richest men in the world are so desperate to get into space? I think they know we've fleeced this planet for all its worth, know that we're doooomed and want to gtf off Earth asap.
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Isn’t bill gates buying land left, right and centre?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 13 minutes ago
"Asking millions and millions (probably billions) to starve to death to lower the numbers is not the answer. It’s actually quite a sick & twisted proposal in my mind."

Also this is probably the most moronic thing I've heard all year. Congratulations
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Great argument yet again. You lot couldn't convince a heroin addict to take a hit. Resorting to insults says a lot about the strength of your position.

Luckily for me (and humanity as a whole), what you want will not happen because people looking into this and making decisions in geopolitics are not daft.
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Isn't that quote an example of you being reductive in an argument though? So you complaining about others not putting forward arguments is pretty ironic, given your main tactic is to be reductive or to take an opposing opinion to a ridiculous extreme to pretend you're the only reasonable one.

There is a reason people don't really want to engage with you.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 13 minutes ago
"Asking millions and millions (probably billions) to starve to death to lower the numbers is not the answer. It’s actually quite a sick & twisted proposal in my mind."

Also this is probably the most moronic thing I've heard all year. Congratulations
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Great argument yet again. You lot couldn't convince a heroin addict to take a hit. Resorting to insults says a lot about the strength of your position.

Luckily for me (and humanity as a whole), what you want will not happen because people looking into this and making decisions in geopolitics are not daft.
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Isn't that quote an example of you being reductive in an argument though? So you complaining about others not putting forward arguments is pretty ironic, given your main tactic is to be reductive or to take an opposing opinion to a ridiculous extreme to pretend you're the only reasonable one.

There is a reason people don't really want to engage with you.
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I have previously referenced and explained my position politely, in more depth and provided authors and articles to further demonstrate my points, so your analysis is completely wrong Tam.

Plenty of people wish to engage with me and for those than do not, I don't exactly lose sleep over it.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
You ever wonder why the richest men in the world are so desperate to get into space? I think they know we've fleeced this planet for all its worth, know that we're doooomed and want to gtf off Earth asap.
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Isn’t bill gates buying land left, right and centre?
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He's behind he curve, either that or he's scared of Bronterocs.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
You ever wonder why the richest men in the world are so desperate to get into space? I think they know we've fleeced this planet for all its worth, know that we're doooomed and want to gtf off Earth asap.
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Isn’t bill gates buying land left, right and centre?
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He's behind he curve, either that or he's scared of Bronterocs.
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maybe

I think space exploration and planetary colonisation is a natural progression for the human race. Elon is the man doing it right now but whilst I don't know all that much about it, I suspect that we're still a very long time away from achieving colonies on another planet. But it has to start somewhere.

Ultimately, I agree with most on here re: the planet and doing what we can to protect for the future generations. Where we disagree is how we achieve that.

I want to ramp up governmental & private sector investment in green tech rather than putting severe restrictions on trade & goods which will inevtiably cost the planet millions or billions of lives.

I think we're less than 10 years away from a moon base. That's gonna be the jump off for deeper space exploration.

We had an electric engined car before we had the internal combustion one, we, or ather vested interests decided, that burning oil was the way to go. We have brilliant minds in this world that will produce non fossil fuel energy, but it won't be advanced enough to power a moonbase supply rocket for decades.
Human being greed is a pox, but it advances our society just don't ask questions.
Every cobalt mine in Africa uses actual slaves, China has actual children making phones in factories, there is no outcry because without cobalt we cannot whinge and moan on the Internet.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
I think we're less than 10 years away from a moon base. That's gonna be the jump off for deeper space exploration.

We had an electric engined car before we had the internal combustion one, we, or ather vested interests decided, that burning oil was the way to go. We have brilliant minds in this world that will produce non fossil fuel energy, but it won't be advanced enough to power a moonbase supply rocket for decades.
Human being greed is a pox, but it advances our society just don't ask questions.
Every cobalt mine in Africa uses actual slaves, China has actual children making phones in factories, there is no outcry because without cobalt we cannot whinge and moan on the Internet.
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10 years? You reckon? Would be crazy, didn’t think it would really happen in my lifetime.

Yeah the cobalt mining is pretty damn horrendous conditions. From what I understand they shouldn’t be doing it by hand, it should all be machinery but obviously they’re lying and child exploitation is rife and disgusting.

The only ones who deserve a pay rise are the doctors and nurses, the rest of them I would sack tomorrow and give their jobs to people who would be glad of a job

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Disembowel the liberals, and drink the blood of their children (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Currently the level of education, female rights and contraceptives required to see low birth rates also come with a massive increase of personal fossil fuel emissions and biodiversity destruction (direct or indirect).

In other words there could well be some fairly large slowdowns but it would be far outweighed by destruction and go nowhere near far enough to actually help matters.

We need both a huge reduction in population (lower breeding) and to change our lifestyles to have much hope of sorting the mess we've created.

Instead of relying on non existent tech or a fantasy that everything will magically work out despite all available evidence pointing to a collapse of much of the planet as we know it - we need to change our economic way of thinking. Valuing those who work in care and getting used to looking after an aging population as being at the forefront of life until things balance out (which would eventually happen).
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Ok so you’re concerned about human influence on climate change.

What do you propose be done with countries like China & India?
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Going to take effort from all nations
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CO2 emissions per capita by country *before* adjusting for trade:

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

Here’s why we should be adjusting for trade (focussing on consumption rather than production), and what happens when we do that:

https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2#additional-information

We need to see all countries pitching in, and internationally-recognised binding targets agreed far beyond where we are if we’re going to avoid the biggest extinction event in the history of the planet. We’re already losing species reflecting billions of years’ worth of unique evolutionary progress at a record rate.

Some countries have more work to do than others, and we need to see the cost burden shared equitably between nations.
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Where the source of the trade emission come from changes absolutely nothing.

So UK, US and Europe stop importing products from China. What happens to China? People go back into absolute poverty and millions and millions starve to death again.

Poorer countries will not and should not play ball in this regard.

You guys reference 'fantasies' of non-existent tech that will save us but expecting all nations in the world to spread the cost equitably and essentailly work as one planet is the biggest fantasy eve. One I would love to see in my lifetime but I am realisitc; this won't happen for a very long time.
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Fantasies of non-existant tech? I remember a poster on here trying to convince others that tech would save the world from climate change and that the planet could easily support 12-13 billion people.