Apart from the foolish idea of believing all women. I am curious to hear ideas from others about how our justice system can be improved when it comes grape accusations
Some of mine include:
1) I have always believed in harsher sentencing as a deterrent
2) I also believe that there should be a further review by an independent body of cases that the cps do not take further. Kinda like a QC. I know this already happen but maybe not enough.
3) I also believe a lack of transparency in the processes was put in to protect alleged victims. Is this lack of trasparency actually hurting the women instead? If so how much will you reveal to the public, evidence wise?
4) Clear and accessible breakdown of why cases aren't making it to courts.
ps. There are many articles about MG and I don't want this to be about his case specifically, so I will delete any such posts.
Alternatives to current system
posted on 3/2/23
I just thought of another football solution
I understand the lack of transparency to protect regular women. But when it comes to public profiles such as greenwood, any footballer, politicians etc is it too much to stipulate that any investigation that may bring their organisation to disrepute will have to be shared fully with the public?
These people are public figures and the public maybe deserves a right to know. So as a woman who wants to involve yourself in their lifestyle you should also understand what comes with the territory. Or is that too much?
posted on 3/2/23
The Wrapes of Grath would be the sort of TV show Robb watches
posted on 3/2/23
The best deterrent would be to start actually convicting some of them.
Unless we are to believe that an overwhelming majority of criminal allegations are fabricated or ‘misunderstandings’ (and statistically, it would need to be >98% of all criminal allegations), the vast majority of raapists are walking away scot-free.
The burden of proof is too high, and the process too long, difficult and complicated.
Unless people are happy to have the vast majority of all raapists walking the streets freely and unpunished, I don’t think this point is arguable, tbh.
posted on 3/2/23
In response to those suggesting anonymity for the accused in all cases (or even just high profile, public cases), we’d have even more serial raapists walking the streets.
There are *myriad* cases which have been built against serial raapists - and put many of them away for decades - based on evidence provided by women who have only felt able to come forward once their abuser has been named publicly.
posted on 3/2/23
There's no real answer, you just need a cultural change to stop this being so common.
posted on 3/2/23
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
The best deterrent would be to start actually convicting some of them.
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So your practical solution, is to start convicting some of them, even when the cps believe they cannot be found guilty?
Lets meet a quota by convicting some people we believe cannot be found guilty.
posted on 3/2/23
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 19 minutes ago
The best deterrent would be to start actually convicting some of them.
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So your practical solution, is to start convicting some of them, even when the cps believe they cannot be found guilty?
Lets meet a quota by convicting some people we believe cannot be found guilty.
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I thought I had stated quite clearly that the burden of proof is currently too high, and that the legal process is too lengthy and complicated (as well as being critically underfunded). The CPS are very frequently unwilling to carry cases forward because they are aware that it is incredibly difficult to secure convictions; and not because they believe accused parties to be innocent of the crimes they’ve been charged with.
If the burden of proof was reduced and the UK judicial system entertained majority verdicts, for example, we may see a few more raapists convicted.
posted on 3/2/23
Here’s the Victims Commissioner’s latest report on raape and some suggested reforms:
https://victimscommissioner.org.uk/news/the-distressing-truth-is-that-if-you-are-raped-in-britain-today-your-chances-of-seeing-justice-are-slim/
I think everyone should read the section starting (troublingly), “Since 2016/17, we have seen a catastrophic decline in rape prosecutions…”
posted on 3/2/23
comment by isembowel the libeals, an ink the bloo of thei chilen (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
Here’s the Victims Commissioner’s latest report on raape and some suggested reforms:
https://victimscommissioner.org.uk/news/the-distressing-truth-is-that-if-you-are-raped-in-britain-today-your-chances-of-seeing-justice-are-slim/
I think everyone should read the section starting (troublingly), “Since 2016/17, we have seen a catastrophic decline in rape prosecutions…”
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Good points raosed many already raised here
The big obstacle in my opinion is there is literally the favts around an accusation can be established in certain situations. Most accusers want justice without intrusion intk their own affairs. Sadly, i do not nkow how this can be possible.
posted on 3/2/23
Thanks for sharing btw